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I sold a pair of rims and the buyer says they are not clinchers

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Old 08-09-08, 10:32 PM
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I sold a pair of rims and the buyer says they are not clinchers

So...without names a poster inquired about Rigida rims. I said I had a pair and shipped them. He claims that they are not clinchers...

If they were tubulars why would I need tire irons to remove a tire hooked to the rim with a schrader tube? If in fact they are tubular rims with shrader holes I think I would know.


The person does not think it necessary to post pictures on the forum. He says he has 40 years of experience with working on bikes. I don't want to argue I just want to honestly know if I sold tubulars mistake.

If that is the case I'd feel pretty stupid.
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need pics
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If the tyres were NOT glued on I think its safe to say they were clinchers !
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Sure sounds like clinchers to me but we do need pictures. I've NEVER heard of tubulars with schrader valves and if the tube was separate from the tire it certainly was not a tubular or sew-up as they used to be called.
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet
If they were tubulars why would I need tire irons to remove a tire hooked to the rim with a schrader tube? .
i read your statement to infer that there were a pair of clincher tyres & tubes mounted and inflated on the rims at some point prior to your selling them? even a tightish clincher tyre would have blown off a tubular rim with even moderate inflation pressures (ie- over, say...50-60 psi) and it's highly doubtful that a tubular rim would have been opened up to accept a schaeder valve stem.

The person does not think it necessary to post pictures on the forum. He says he has 40 years of experience with working on bikes.
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i'd like to comment but i'll refrain for the time being.
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Do you have the original tires to photograph?

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If u had to have confirmation, sounds like yer not sure either. It's black & white. Pix or /close thread.
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Your buyer might have thought he was getting hook edge rims as opposed to smooth edged ones.
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Originally Posted by jsmithepa
If u had to have confirmation, sounds like yer not sure either. It's black & white. Pix or /close thread.
Not exactly B&W:

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Your buyer might have thought he was getting hook edge rims as opposed to smooth edged ones.
Early clincher rims did not have hook beads, as MLK points out. Perhaps OP's buyer expected hook beads, and doesn't have them. But not all clinchers have the hooks.

Also, Weinmann at least made some "mixte" rims that supposedly accepted either tubies or clinchers. I've never seen one, but they're listed on eBay all the time. I can't remember whether Weinmann ever bought Rigida, as Wolber bought Super Champion -- so this comment may not be germane to the issue at hand, except to illustrate that it's really not so black & white . . .
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I wasn't aware Rigida made tubulars.....
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Originally Posted by MLK
Your buyer might have thought he was getting hook edge rims as opposed to smooth edged ones.
Good point. I'm assuming these are 27" rims. Some of them didn't have hook edges, as MLK pointed out and some had a "buldge", not a hook, to secure the tire bead. I've seen many 27" rims with that buldge, not a hook, still they're clinchers.
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The 24 inch rims on the Richard Sachs bike are smooth edge rims, and yet they are for clincher tyres.

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I have seen some Arayas that are not only sans any bead whatsoever, they flare outwards just a tad. Not exactly confidence-inspiring.

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+ My 1976 Araya clincher rims sound just like Kurt's comment. No hook, no bulge, flare out a litte.

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sounds like you sold clinchers. Without further evidence that seems to be the concensus. The buyer is either lying about his or her experience or recieved the equivalent of a 1 day bike tech course in those 40 years.
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine
The buyer is either lying about his or her experience or recieved the equivalent of a 1 day bike tech course in those 40 years.
you show massive restrain, cycltoine-he very obviously never touched a sew-up in all that time.
i guess that repacking the bearings on his brother-in-law's columbia cruiser and wrapping bars on a couple of huffy's with electrician's tape every decade or so doesn't make for a very broad base of experience. my take on the transaction is buyer's remorse coupled with a pretty feeble excuse to return them.
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caterham, I recon your spot on !
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Not the case here, but Schwinn sold bikes with "tubular rims" so named because they were made by squashing a steel tube and folding it into the shape of a clincher rim.
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Perhaps the adventure could still be resolved in an amicable manner. Sorefeet, PM me with the rim size , number of holes, condition and sale price. I might be interested in acquiring them from the fellow you sold them to. If it works out, all might be happy in the end.
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did you need a tube and a tire or just a tube?
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