When I was 16 I was a member of a local bike club - lots of miles on a loaner fixie from them. They were donated a complete set of 6 identical team bikes and the club lent me one for time trials and general road work - later they sold me it. It has been laid up for 25 years now!
All components are campagnolo - a mixture of Super Record, Record and Nuovo Sport with Cinelli bars, stem and a set of 1010a Camp long dropouts without eyelets. The frame lugs indicate Cinelli Super Corsa, based on fork shape, seat clamp. The changer mounts, cable guides, bottle holders and cable lugs are all brazed. The frame is in original chrome and red but no stickers or badges. The BB has a ID of SP 91 stamped in it and has 3 lug holes like the rest of the frame. I got the bike approx 1983.
pictures of the bike at: https://homepage.ntlworld.com/jakeand...uff/index.html.
Any help on identifying would be great - I do not want to sell the bike - just looking to buy the right decals and know what colour to paint it...many thanks in advance for any help...

interesting frame: it does have the 3-descending-size holes in the lugs, but that seat cluster is not the classic Cinelli, and the sloping forkcrown has no reinforcing tangs...so I doubt it's a Cinelli SC (but I'm not an expert by any means). But whoever did that "shot-in" treatment of the seat stays had some skills, and the lugs look well finished, so I'd guess it's from a high-end builder. Have you checked the interior bottom of the steerer for "rifling"? Is the BB definitely Italian threading?

Thanks for the reply - the BB is threaded with tapered fitting for cranks - there is no rifling on the inner of the steerer - I have not seen the seat stays 'merged' like that before - probably not the easiest way to get the job done...

Can you measure the width of the BB shell (from outer edge to outer edge): it will be either 68mm or 70mm.
Are there any markings on the BB cups such as: "36 x 24" or "1.37 x 24"?
What size seat post is fitted?

BB is 70mm - although it does stick out approx 2 mm each side. The only markings on it are 1903 SFZ? The seat post is 27.2mm.

Aren't the three-hole lug cutouts a sort of Windsor thing?

Windsors (and for that matter the early Trek TX900s) were copies of Cinelli. The fork may or may not be original; I would expect the inner tangs to reproduce the decreasing radius hole motif on a later Cinelli.

The frame looks all the world to me like an earlier Cinelli SC. What keeps it from being so?

the rear cluster...unless there's something about an "early" SC that I'm unaware of, that shown in the OP is not typical of Cinelli, this is:
And this is what a '70s BB shell and serial number looks like, too (pics from WoolJersey)
The OP's bike is different in both details but clearly not a typical Windsor Pro, either. Sounds like an Italian BB shell and not a Columbus steering column....hmmm...and the Cinelli SC would have a 26.2 seat post, not a 27.2

To add to the mix - when I bought the bike I replaced the crankset and bottom bracket because there was a crack in one of the cranks near the redal hole and wear in the BB - the cranks had 5 thiner spokes with flutes cut into them - campag. I had the BB changed at a local bike store - probably not campag by the look of it but managed to afford a replacement campag crankset - albeit a later model. The wheels were originally early alloy rims with tubs - so I upgraded to later wheels to mavics with 700/23s. Thanks for the continued help in identifying...

I take it that the bottom bracket is thoroughly Italian--that is, it accepts larger Italian cups with non-reverse threading on the drive side.

A profile photo that shows the fork rake, bottom bracket drop, and wheel clearances would be helpful. Also, a more detailed shot of the seat cluster and fork crown. The seat cluster profile suggests Raleigh Pro, but it looks like the seat stays are brazed directly to the seat tube as well as the seat lug, suggesting something else. Raleigh Pros also used Cinelli-style full-sloping fork crowns, but without stiffening tangs on the inside. And the domed treatment of the stay ends suggest British, not Italian.

If memory serves me, UK builder Colin Laing is the only builder with any volume besides Raleigh who used a "fastback"-style seat cluster

Last I heard, Colin Laing was in Tempe AZ, working at Tempe Bicycle, part time.

notice the housing guide on the read chainstay, nice touch and an uncommon feature of any mass produced bike. I'm going to guess it is a fairly opscure and small volume brand which took some notes from cinelli.

some more pictures - hopefully some more leads...
https://homepage.ntlworld.com/jakeandmarta/bikepics2/

can I buy a tool to extract this type of BB? - it looks like it has 18 splines.

Is it a Phil Wood BB? if so then: yes you can, buy one of their "portable" ring tools and use a 1" spanner on it. https://www.philwood.com/BB-Tools.htm
Looks like the chainstays are a bit "fatter" (top-to-bottom) than vintage stays, more like the later Columbus profiles.

I didn't see the 27.2 note, but that tears it. Not a Cinelli, at least not one I've ever seen. Maybe you should get some JMARKHA decals made for the downtube?

I've got an old touring frame I had repainted. The components were all Campy NR. I washed the grime off of them but they still don't have that pearl-like glow that they once had. Any suggestions on how to make the parts look as good as the frame?
GeorgeS

That's funny - also useful feedback as I would hate to put Cinelli decals on it if it was not...
I think I will repaint it and have no stickers...I vaguely remember taking stickers of it years ago but cannot remember what they were - it did not seem to matter at the time :-)
thanks for all the feedback and help guys - really useful...I will post some redone pictures soon.

It's definitely not a Cinelli--wrong seat cluster and no stiffening tangs on the inside of the fork. And it's definitely not a Raleigh--profile shows traditional Italian road style geometry with low bottom bracket and generous but subtly curved fork rake. The chroming on the fork and rear stays suggests 80s vintage, and the seat cluster suggests North American or British builder who dug Italian design but had his own ideas about how to stiffen up the rear triangle.

Once you get the bottom bracket out you'll be able to get a better idea of the bike's nationality. It looks like a Phil Woods--use their splined tool because the retaining cups are soft, and loosen the left side before trying to determine if the right side is reverse-threaded.

My bad. Laing did build in the US. Thanks.

One of my buddies rode a Laing in the 70s. I don't remember much about it except the seat cluster.

Thanks OldBobcat - early 80s would match when I bought the bike and I will get one of those Phil tools and see what I find. Sorry to be stupid - when you say left side - I assume that is the non-drive side?

probably won't help much but the cable guides on top of the bottom bracket area were quite popular
during the late seventies,my specialized Allez with tange tubing has the exact same type guides and shape

Nice bike! The lugs look really nice, and you've had it for a long time - a good candidate for restoration. I have little to say about what make of bike it is, but you could take the fork off and look for stampings on the steer tube.

Can I politely suggest something? Nearly every digital camera has a mode for doing closeups, called "Macro". I think you should try to find out how to use the 'Macro' mode for your camera - then the closeups won't be blurred.

Absolutely correct.

thx - will check the tube and yes good point re. Macro feature :-) Flash was not kind - especially close up...

Funny thing - it reminds me a lot in construction of Sheldon's very own 1974 Brown, not to mention that it's red...

-Kurt