Hello to C&V from So. Cal.
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From: Brea, California
Bikes: 1977 Ciocc and a 1970 Paramount, previous were an Olmo and a Gios
Hello to C&V from So. Cal.
Hi folks,
Somebody on another forum suggested I post some pix of my ride. Unfortunately, I don't yet know how to do it, but I'll learn. For the moment let me describe it a little. I bought it as a frameset (Ciocc) in the spring of 1983, I really didn't need it and I'd just two years before built up a really nice Gios. Anyway, back to the description. The hardware is full Campy NR and SR, except for the Regina freewheel and Jap clincher rims. The rims for my sew-ups are Italian but not Campy. I just changed out the 13-20 freewheel for, don't laugh too hard, an 18-23. Hey, I'll be 70 years old in January.
It had a Regina SL chain (the one with hollow pins), which served me well for many thousands of miles, but finally had stretched to where it tried to skip cogs. So I replaced in with a Campy S9. Not "period correct", but sure shifts sweet! I recently saw a Regina SL NOS go for $170.00. A bit too rich for this working stiff. Oh, the clincher rims are Arayas, put them on 25 years ago because they were lighter than the other available clincher rims. My original rims for the sew-ups were Fiamme Yellows, but I gave them to my kid when I gave him the Gios (big mistake). This past week I laced up a pair of Ambrosio Montiels. I've ordered some cheapo tires from YJ, the three for fifty bux ones. I sure miss my Clements. Oh, the clinchers on at the moment are Asian things called Vittoria Rubino Pros with light weight Conti tubes. Also had the old logo double crest Cinelli handle bars which I can't find. I put on some newer Cinellis with a cheapo logo that looks like doggie doo. If I don't find the originals I'll watch for some NOS on eBay.
I'm buying a Park wheel truing stand to dial in the wheels I just laced (not like the old days when I set the wheels in the drop outs and eye-balled em). After that I'll let you all know how those "Servizio Corse" tubies work out.
I know a picture would've been better than these thousand words.
John,
So Calif
Somebody on another forum suggested I post some pix of my ride. Unfortunately, I don't yet know how to do it, but I'll learn. For the moment let me describe it a little. I bought it as a frameset (Ciocc) in the spring of 1983, I really didn't need it and I'd just two years before built up a really nice Gios. Anyway, back to the description. The hardware is full Campy NR and SR, except for the Regina freewheel and Jap clincher rims. The rims for my sew-ups are Italian but not Campy. I just changed out the 13-20 freewheel for, don't laugh too hard, an 18-23. Hey, I'll be 70 years old in January.
It had a Regina SL chain (the one with hollow pins), which served me well for many thousands of miles, but finally had stretched to where it tried to skip cogs. So I replaced in with a Campy S9. Not "period correct", but sure shifts sweet! I recently saw a Regina SL NOS go for $170.00. A bit too rich for this working stiff. Oh, the clincher rims are Arayas, put them on 25 years ago because they were lighter than the other available clincher rims. My original rims for the sew-ups were Fiamme Yellows, but I gave them to my kid when I gave him the Gios (big mistake). This past week I laced up a pair of Ambrosio Montiels. I've ordered some cheapo tires from YJ, the three for fifty bux ones. I sure miss my Clements. Oh, the clinchers on at the moment are Asian things called Vittoria Rubino Pros with light weight Conti tubes. Also had the old logo double crest Cinelli handle bars which I can't find. I put on some newer Cinellis with a cheapo logo that looks like doggie doo. If I don't find the originals I'll watch for some NOS on eBay.
I'm buying a Park wheel truing stand to dial in the wheels I just laced (not like the old days when I set the wheels in the drop outs and eye-balled em). After that I'll let you all know how those "Servizio Corse" tubies work out.
I know a picture would've been better than these thousand words.
John,
So Calif
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surly old man

Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Carlisle, PA
Bikes: IRO Mark V, Karate Monkey half fat, Trek 620 IGH, Cannondale 26/24 MTB, Amp Research B3, and more.
That was me, so I officially get a C&V finder's fee for bringing you in.
I do warn you though, at least one person, whose name shall remain EastHill, will quickly decend on this thread and demand visuals.
Welcome to the club.
jim
I do warn you though, at least one person, whose name shall remain EastHill, will quickly decend on this thread and demand visuals.
Welcome to the club.
jim
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Chrome Freak
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: Kuna, ID
Bikes: 71 Chrome Paramount P13-9, 73 Opaque Blue Paramount P15, 74 Blue Mink Raleigh Pro, 91 Waterford Paramount, Holland Titanium x2
Welcome to C and V from another Southern Californian!
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1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
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1971 Paramount P-13 Chrome
1973 Paramount P-15 Opaque Blue
1974 Raleigh Professional Blue Mink
1991 Waterford Paramount
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Freewheel Medic



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From: An Island on the Coast of GA!
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John, welcome. I wish I were in So. CA! Can't wait to see the pictures.
jgedwa, no finder's fee until you educate OSG on photobucket links.
jgedwa, no finder's fee until you educate OSG on photobucket links.
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Bob
Enjoying the GA coast all year long!
Thanks for visiting my website: www.freewheelspa.com
Bob
Enjoying the GA coast all year long!
Thanks for visiting my website: www.freewheelspa.com
#7
"Purgatory Central"
Joined: May 2005
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From: beautiful "Cypress Gardens" florida
Hi folks,
I bought it as a frameset (Ciocc) in the spring of 1983, I'd just two years before built up a really nice Gios. The hardware is full Campy NR and SR, The rims for my sew-ups are Italian but not Campy. I just changed out the 13-20 freewheel for, don't laugh too hard, an 18-23. Hey, I'll be 70 years old in January.
the clincher rims are Arayas, put them on 25 years ago because they were lighter . My original rims for the sew-ups were Fiamme Yellows, but I gave them to my kid when I gave him the Gios (big mistake). This past week I laced up a pair of Ambrosio Montiels. I sure miss my Clements. Vittoria Rubino Pros with light weight Conti tubes. Also had the old logo double crest Cinelli handle bars which I can't find.
I'm buying a Park wheel truing stand to dial in the wheels I just laced (not like the old days when I set the wheels in the drop outs and eye-balled em).
I bought it as a frameset (Ciocc) in the spring of 1983, I'd just two years before built up a really nice Gios. The hardware is full Campy NR and SR, The rims for my sew-ups are Italian but not Campy. I just changed out the 13-20 freewheel for, don't laugh too hard, an 18-23. Hey, I'll be 70 years old in January.
the clincher rims are Arayas, put them on 25 years ago because they were lighter . My original rims for the sew-ups were Fiamme Yellows, but I gave them to my kid when I gave him the Gios (big mistake). This past week I laced up a pair of Ambrosio Montiels. I sure miss my Clements. Vittoria Rubino Pros with light weight Conti tubes. Also had the old logo double crest Cinelli handle bars which I can't find.
I'm buying a Park wheel truing stand to dial in the wheels I just laced (not like the old days when I set the wheels in the drop outs and eye-balled em).
Daaamn.......we need a guy like you around here.

Welcome 'OldSchoolGuy', Love to hear some more about your Ciocc, and the Gios. At your age, and with your experience with the old school 'fast bike' stuff, I'd say you fit-in quite well on C & V.
I say you're hired, (with the obligatory company 'Lexus' at your disposal, and full use of the corporate 'Gulfstream' of course)
#10
Just down the Santa Ana river from you! Costa Mesa.
I remember seeing & lusting over Ciocc's back in the early 80s. Never have seen one on the road. Where'd you get yours?
I have a Univega Super Strada of about the same vintage. It was a leftover bike sitting in the window of Bicycle Man of Orange. Just about to take it out down PCH.
I remember seeing & lusting over Ciocc's back in the early 80s. Never have seen one on the road. Where'd you get yours?
I have a Univega Super Strada of about the same vintage. It was a leftover bike sitting in the window of Bicycle Man of Orange. Just about to take it out down PCH.
#12
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From: Brea, California
Bikes: 1977 Ciocc and a 1970 Paramount, previous were an Olmo and a Gios
I bought it in the spring of 1983 form either, I believe, Marina Del Rey bike shop or Bikecology in Santa Monica. Used to have the invoice but have not been able to locate it recently. I Paid something like $500.00 for it.
#13
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From: Brea, California
Bikes: 1977 Ciocc and a 1970 Paramount, previous were an Olmo and a Gios
Won't see me on the Gios or Olmo anytime soon as I gave the Olmo to my kid in 1980 when I bought the Gios, then I gave him the Gios in 1983 when I bought the Ciocc. Also gave him the Cinelli handlebars with the double crest logo, Modolo Kronos breaks though I kept the levers. Those Kronos levers were really comfortable. At the same time I also gave him my Campy SR break levers. I doubt he still has any of that stuff anymore. Now that I've returned to riding the Ciocc, I've taken the Kronos levers off and replaced them with Campy SR via eBay. This past week there was a nice pair of Campy NR levers with Ciocc pantographing, but they went for $147.00, too much for this old guy.
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From: Brea, California
Bikes: 1977 Ciocc and a 1970 Paramount, previous were an Olmo and a Gios
I used to ride the Santa Ana River trail every weekend unless I did the Santiago Canyon run. I'll be doing it again soon. I'd just returned to cycling a little over three years ago having quit after a serious motorcycle accident in 1992 trashed out my left leg. I'd begun to do fairly well for an old guy then quit for a heart valve replacement three years ago. The Doc demanded that I return to exercising but honestly, I was afraid to. I told him that when I ride my bike I do so vigorously. He continued to bug me and finally, just to shut him up, I'm back on the bike.
Saturday I took it out to test the shifting with the new chain and freewheel. Well, I was a bit off on the deraileur adjustment and about two miles down the road lodged the chain between the freewheel and the spokes. Fixed it Saturday night and did 22 uneventful miles on Sunday. It really felt good, the terrain was mild hills and the Campy chain and America freewheel shifted better than anything I had before. I still have my 13-20 Regina CX which I might use again if I can loose a lot of weight and regain some heart/lung capacity. For the moment, its the non-period correct America 1993 with 18-24? cogs.
Saturday I took it out to test the shifting with the new chain and freewheel. Well, I was a bit off on the deraileur adjustment and about two miles down the road lodged the chain between the freewheel and the spokes. Fixed it Saturday night and did 22 uneventful miles on Sunday. It really felt good, the terrain was mild hills and the Campy chain and America freewheel shifted better than anything I had before. I still have my 13-20 Regina CX which I might use again if I can loose a lot of weight and regain some heart/lung capacity. For the moment, its the non-period correct America 1993 with 18-24? cogs.
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From: Brea, California
Bikes: 1977 Ciocc and a 1970 Paramount, previous were an Olmo and a Gios
If somebody can tell me how to post some pix, e-mail me at jttoner@hotmail.com and I'll give it a try. I do have a digital camera and a camera on my cellular which has a USB port. I think the regular camera also has USB capability via my SanDisk. The bike is not as good looking as it was in 1983. It was my daily rider and sole means of transportation for four years. Also, to me anyway, it looks weird with the black clinchers (Thailand Vittorias), but they do ride nice.
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Bikes: 1970 Holdsworth Mistral, Vitus 979, Colnago Primavera, Corratec Hydracarbon, Massi MegaTeam, 1935 Claud Butler Super Velo, Carrera Virtuoso, Viner, 1953 Claud Butler Silver Jubilee, 1954 Holdsworth Typhoon, 1966 Claud Butler Olympic Road, 1982 Claud
Welcome OldSchoolGuy! Greetimgs from England, home of the world's newest Third World Economy! I know exactly what you mean re - cog sizes! When I've dropped a stone and a bit I might return to my 54 X 12, but for now 42/53 X 14/28 feels right! I'd love to see photos of your Ciocc when you get round to posting them.
#17
Hoopy Frood
Joined: Nov 2008
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From: Los Angeles
Bikes: Trek 7.3fx, Peugeot PX-10, Fuji Roubaix Pro ('04), Cannondale R600, Triumph Roadsters, Raleigh 20, Univega Nuovo Sport, Schwinn Sierra, Bianchi Osprey, Peugeot NS-22, Batavus Champion, Haro Pulse.
Welcome, OSG! SoCal here as well. Looking forward to hearing more about your collection over the years!
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Strange coincidence. It was a motorcycle crash in '95 that got me back on bicycles. I had to exercise to get leg function back. Picked a Schwinn beach cruiser out of a dumpster. Rode it a year, and then got me a real mountain bike.
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Freewheel Medic



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From: An Island on the Coast of GA!
Bikes: Snazzy* Schwinns, Classy Cannondales & a Super Pro Aero Lotus (* Ed.)
The best way to post photos, IMO:
Open a free photobucket account. It's easy. Load your pictures of your bike there.
Under each uploaded picture are four options when you place the cursor over the picture. The second option is "Direct Link" which when you click on it, automatically copies that www address into your clipboard.
Once "Direct Link" is copied into your clipboard, jump to the BF-C&V post/thread you are responding to. After you have typed your response, hit enter to start a new line, then click on the little icon in the menu bar which looks like a mountain range with a sun in a yellow sky. When you click on this icon a box pops up that says: "Please enter the URL of your image:" Use the "Ctrl V" command or "Paste" from your Edit menu to insert your photobucket "Direct Link" into the box. Click on "OK" and the picture www address is inserted into your response. If you post more then one picture, use a separate line for each picture.
When you click on "Post Reply" your picture will be displayed just like the one I've inserted below. I usually do this on a separate last lines of the reply. Best of luck.
Open a free photobucket account. It's easy. Load your pictures of your bike there.
Under each uploaded picture are four options when you place the cursor over the picture. The second option is "Direct Link" which when you click on it, automatically copies that www address into your clipboard.
Once "Direct Link" is copied into your clipboard, jump to the BF-C&V post/thread you are responding to. After you have typed your response, hit enter to start a new line, then click on the little icon in the menu bar which looks like a mountain range with a sun in a yellow sky. When you click on this icon a box pops up that says: "Please enter the URL of your image:" Use the "Ctrl V" command or "Paste" from your Edit menu to insert your photobucket "Direct Link" into the box. Click on "OK" and the picture www address is inserted into your response. If you post more then one picture, use a separate line for each picture.
When you click on "Post Reply" your picture will be displayed just like the one I've inserted below. I usually do this on a separate last lines of the reply. Best of luck.
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Enjoying the GA coast all year long!
Thanks for visiting my website: www.freewheelspa.com
Bob
Enjoying the GA coast all year long!
Thanks for visiting my website: www.freewheelspa.com
#21
feros ferio

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From: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
With names like "OldSchoolGuy" and "John" and a classic Ciocc, you are an instant friend. I like your freewheel selection, since I am into close-ratio gears but not high ones. (My motto is "no ratio above 100 gear-inches.")
I live in a delightful beach town in north San Diego County. My late mother used to live near the Santa Ana River beach trail, and I took the boys there several times when they were young, but I have never biked it. Welcome!
I live in a delightful beach town in north San Diego County. My late mother used to live near the Santa Ana River beach trail, and I took the boys there several times when they were young, but I have never biked it. Welcome!
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#22
Hello from SoCal! (Santa Maria, actually.)
Nice to meet you also, Ciocc's are my favorite italitan bikes. Kudos to you for riding one.
A simpler method of posting pictures:
1. Make a photobucket account.
2. Upload your pictures to Photobucket.
3. Put your mouse over one of the pictures uploaded to photobucket,
and from the drop down menu, click "IMG URL" or "IMG" or whatever. The bottom one.
4. Start a reply to something you're posting here. The line of text you copied from photobucket will be said image, wherever you paste it in your reply!
I used to try the way the BF setup had you do it, but that was difficult, I just use the IMG instead.
Nice to meet you also, Ciocc's are my favorite italitan bikes. Kudos to you for riding one.
A simpler method of posting pictures:
1. Make a photobucket account.
2. Upload your pictures to Photobucket.
3. Put your mouse over one of the pictures uploaded to photobucket,
and from the drop down menu, click "IMG URL" or "IMG" or whatever. The bottom one.
4. Start a reply to something you're posting here. The line of text you copied from photobucket will be said image, wherever you paste it in your reply!
I used to try the way the BF setup had you do it, but that was difficult, I just use the IMG instead.
#23
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From: Brea, California
Bikes: 1977 Ciocc and a 1970 Paramount, previous were an Olmo and a Gios
John E.,
You've some sweet rides there yourself. BTW, I went to High School and Junior College in Pacific Beach. The school's long gone, was the Brown Military Academy (Class of 56), at 1800 Garnet St., P.B. Been replaced by a shopping center last I heard.
John
You've some sweet rides there yourself. BTW, I went to High School and Junior College in Pacific Beach. The school's long gone, was the Brown Military Academy (Class of 56), at 1800 Garnet St., P.B. Been replaced by a shopping center last I heard.
John





