Need some Paramount ID help!
#1
Need some Paramount ID help!
Hey guy I am considering buying this bike shortly... its an unknown year, model and origin. The current owner doesn't know much about it. Any idea what year and quality this is? The rear derailleur is like a Shimano 100, who knows if its original? The cranks are 105. Frame is lugged, and its an OS 5 whatever that means. Any info anyone can give me is appreciated.
Thanks
Jon
Thanks
Jon
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I would guess ca. 1990 from the fork design. OS refers to "OverSize tubing," which became popular first on mountain bikes and aluminum frames. You may be able to decode the date of manufacture from the serial number; whereas the Varsinentals went to a 2-initial-letter serial number scheme in 1965, the Paramounts, KOMs, etc. retained the original single-letter code, in which the initial letter denotes the month (skip I, so J=September and M=December) and the digit immediately following it is the last digit of the year of manufacture. The headbadge may also have a 4-digit code, in which the first 3 digits are the day of the year (1-365) and the last is, again, the last digit of the year.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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It's an early 90's frame made outside the United states. the frame material is Tange steel. the 5 in the OS5 indicates the group setup....5 = 105 7 spd components.
They are a sweet ride, but not terribly expensive. Its worth $150 to about $400 according to its condition.
They are a sweet ride, but not terribly expensive. Its worth $150 to about $400 according to its condition.
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#4
Originally Posted by 1oldRoadie
It's an early 90's frame made outside the United states. the frame material is Tange steel. the 5 in the OS5 indicates the group setup....5 = 105 7 spd components.
They are a sweet ride, but not terribly expensive. Its worth $150 to about $400 according to its condition.
They are a sweet ride, but not terribly expensive. Its worth $150 to about $400 according to its condition.
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Originally Posted by 1oldRoadie
I have about 12,000 to 15,000 on a similar frame. I have also updraged to 9spd with no problems.
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Originally Posted by seely
The guys at work just don't understand. If it doesn't say Bianchi, LeMond or Ritchey, it sucks! 

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"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#8
Originally Posted by seely
The guys at work just don't understand. If it doesn't sale Bianchi, LeMond or Ritchey, it sucks! 

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#9
Originally Posted by 1oldRoadie
Yeah, I know...and they won't ride Brooks either. Right?
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Seely,
Just because its Tange and not Columbus or Reynolds does NOT mean its
low end. . . thus the slickern'owlsh*t ride. (buttah is way to NY).
Marty
Just because its Tange and not Columbus or Reynolds does NOT mean its
low end. . . thus the slickern'owlsh*t ride. (buttah is way to NY).
Marty
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I believe Tange numbered their steels, with "1" being the highest grade and "5" being the lowest I've seen. The Tange "1"s and "2"s are very nice high quality db tubing, comparable to Reynolds.
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#12
Originally Posted by Poguemahone
I believe Tange numbered their steels, with "1" being the highest grade and "5" being the lowest I've seen. The Tange "1"s and "2"s are very nice high quality db tubing, comparable to Reynolds.
As far as the grade of Tange, I'm not sure what this is. I think the OS3 may refer to the quality of the tubeset in this case, as the sticker just says Tange Chromoly with no grade indication. This was definately intended as a race bike in its day, zero eyelets and a sweet chain-hanger... internal cable routing too (can't wait to change the cables out
)
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Originally Posted by seely
Whatever this is its one *****in' ride. Kept up pretty decently with a coworker on his '04 Bianchi San Lorenzo (10spd Dura Ace) yesterday on a 30mi warmup
As far as the grade of Tange, I'm not sure what this is. I think the OS3 may refer to the quality of the tubeset in this case, as the sticker just says Tange Chromoly with no grade indication. This was definately intended as a race bike in its day, zero eyelets and a sweet chain-hanger... internal cable routing too (can't wait to change the cables out
)
As far as the grade of Tange, I'm not sure what this is. I think the OS3 may refer to the quality of the tubeset in this case, as the sticker just says Tange Chromoly with no grade indication. This was definately intended as a race bike in its day, zero eyelets and a sweet chain-hanger... internal cable routing too (can't wait to change the cables out
)The internal cable routing is not a bother to change.
Wait until you lay that cheap japanese steel frame into a quick downhill chicane, boy are you going to smile.
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Originally Posted by 1oldRoadie
The OS3 indicates the component group i.e.: 105.
The internal cable routing is not a bother to change.
Wait until you lay that cheap japanese steel frame into a quick downhill chicane, boy are you going to smile.
The internal cable routing is not a bother to change.
Wait until you lay that cheap japanese steel frame into a quick downhill chicane, boy are you going to smile.
Right now after owning it for less than a week its become a 9spd w/ Dura Ace cassette, 600 Ultegra rear deralleur, Ultegra front derailleur, Tiagra STI shifters, LOOK carbon fork, swapped out the 7spd freehub for an 8/9spd (obviously)... rides like a dream and is pretty darn fast considering the heavy heavy Araya/shimano wheelset and some other older heavy components that still remain. Next up is the wheelset, cranks and seatpost. After that I'm predicting it will be about 19lbs (currently 21-ish). The ride is unbelievably comfortable.





