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01-14-09, 05:44 AM
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I think you are on to something there! I notice 2 more posts after this one from people in mental health/social work fields, and my own main focus is counselling and coaching young adults with learning disabilities and ADHD (the educational aspects are mainly covered these days for kids, but the emotional and social ramifications are less well addressed).
Wasn't there a thread last year on Meyers-Briggs personality types and cycling? I think it was in the Long Distance subforum actually. Anyway, the response was about 75% INFP and INTP - these are the "counsellor" and "scientist" personalities and are supposedly less than 10% in the general population. We definitely have some self-sorting going on - in C&V, I would not be surprised to see something similar, maybe with some ISTJs as well given the love of tradition here
New thread, so as not to derail this one?
Wasn't there a thread last year on Meyers-Briggs personality types and cycling? I think it was in the Long Distance subforum actually. Anyway, the response was about 75% INFP and INTP - these are the "counsellor" and "scientist" personalities and are supposedly less than 10% in the general population. We definitely have some self-sorting going on - in C&V, I would not be surprised to see something similar, maybe with some ISTJs as well given the love of tradition here
New thread, so as not to derail this one?
01-14-09, 05:59 AM
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I'm a pointy headed academic and have been so for 20 plus years. For the last seven, I've been teaching technical writing and doing writing program administration at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where the undergrads are much smarter than I am. My official title is Director of Training in Communication Instruction, which always sounds kind of retro. I also write a lot and will have a book coming out this year. Here's the blurb:
https://www.siu.edu/~siupress/Lerner,...Labratory.html
My wife is a faculty member in biology at MIT, and we have two kids, ages 6 and 10, own our own home, and have been pretty darn lucky in life. Because I spend most of my time in front of the computer and have a flexible academic schedule, I can often be a first responder to CL ads. More bikes for me!
Neal
https://www.siu.edu/~siupress/Lerner,...Labratory.html
My wife is a faculty member in biology at MIT, and we have two kids, ages 6 and 10, own our own home, and have been pretty darn lucky in life. Because I spend most of my time in front of the computer and have a flexible academic schedule, I can often be a first responder to CL ads. More bikes for me!
Neal
I checked out your press release, and it touched a chord. As an engineer I find the need to write; standards, specifications, white papers, technical papers, patent language, explanations of "how it works," et cetera. As a former English major I'm regarded by my peers as one of the better writers in the group (This just proves that taste is not created by education!), and I can at least usually clarify by correcting grammar. But I still wonder why engineers write better (so I wouldn't have to do it all!)? I got my BS from Northwestern, and there was then no particular emphasis on writing in the E school. There was a liberal arts core requirement, however, and perhaps the E school felt that was adequate training for the engineers. What I see among the Univ of Mich students I interview and mentor is more emphasis on the softer sides of engineering.
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01-14-09, 06:14 AM
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01-14-09, 06:25 AM
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Well, thank you for ascribing to me far more intelligence and aspiration than I really have! My goodness!
But, to be serious for a moment, my original intent was just to find out a little more about everyone beyond what's in their signatures, because I knew my preconceived notions couldn't be all that accurate. But now that you mention it, I (or somebody) should assemble this data, create a scatterplot --- uh oh. Slipping into nerddom again.
But, to be serious for a moment, my original intent was just to find out a little more about everyone beyond what's in their signatures, because I knew my preconceived notions couldn't be all that accurate. But now that you mention it, I (or somebody) should assemble this data, create a scatterplot --- uh oh. Slipping into nerddom again.
Nerd to nerd, I think that scatterplot would be interesting. Well, maybe to us nerds ...
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Neal,
I checked out your press release, and it touched a chord. As an engineer I find the need to write; standards, specifications, white papers, technical papers, patent language, explanations of "how it works," et cetera. As a former English major I'm regarded by my peers as one of the better writers in the group (This just proves that taste is not created by education!), and I can at least usually clarify by correcting grammar. But I still wonder why engineers write better (so I wouldn't have to do it all!)? I got my BS from Northwestern, and there was then no particular emphasis on writing in the E school. There was a liberal arts core requirement, however, and perhaps the E school felt that was adequate training for the engineers. What I see among the Univ of Mich students I interview and mentor is more emphasis on the softer sides of engineering.
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I checked out your press release, and it touched a chord. As an engineer I find the need to write; standards, specifications, white papers, technical papers, patent language, explanations of "how it works," et cetera. As a former English major I'm regarded by my peers as one of the better writers in the group (This just proves that taste is not created by education!), and I can at least usually clarify by correcting grammar. But I still wonder why engineers write better (so I wouldn't have to do it all!)? I got my BS from Northwestern, and there was then no particular emphasis on writing in the E school. There was a liberal arts core requirement, however, and perhaps the E school felt that was adequate training for the engineers. What I see among the Univ of Mich students I interview and mentor is more emphasis on the softer sides of engineering.
Road Fan
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01-14-09, 10:43 AM
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I sent a pm....but he has been in belgrade for close to 15 years. He was laid of from working on a producing oil field south of Chinook.....were we grew up and got a lot of educational assistance as part of the lay off package.....so he went to MSU (mech eng tech degree) and has managed to work in that field and stay in the Bozeman area.
01-14-09, 11:06 AM
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I work for the U.S. Postal Service in Statistical Analysis. Spent 30 years in the bike business before that. My Dad owned a bike shop and then I did. Miss it sometimes, but I am very glad that I am out of retail. It is nice to have a steady paycheck 26 times a year, winter of summer. Is my job secure ? I do not know, since the PO has lost billions of dollars and is in the process of slashing jobs. Do enjoy riding solo and with my family. Enjoy working on bikes-the old kinds before they became high tech .
01-14-09, 11:09 AM
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Forty something advertising consultant. Gave up on agency life six years ago. Nowadays I work with one client for a few hours a week, and that pays the bills. We're also landlords for half a dozen old weatherboard bungalows around town. That helps to pay some other bills. The best part of life happens in France, where me, the wife and kids (9yrs, 6yrs) spend three months of each northern summer on our canalboat. French folk live well, and are gracious enough to let us crash their party. Merci beaucoup.
We don't live in a palace, and I drive a 92 Nissan ute (aka pickup).
Life's as good as you make it - but never take anything for granted.
Best wishes - Jeff.
We don't live in a palace, and I drive a 92 Nissan ute (aka pickup).
Life's as good as you make it - but never take anything for granted.
Best wishes - Jeff.
01-14-09, 12:00 PM
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And to keep it on topic, I'll just add that I'm in my sixth and (god-willing) final year of grad school in the English dept at the U of M. We'll see what happens once I go on the job market....
I have to say, of all the students I've had in my composition courses, the engineering students are, by and large, the hardest workers and the most dedicated to improving their communication skills...they definitely taught me a thing or two about preconceived notions.
I have to say, of all the students I've had in my composition courses, the engineering students are, by and large, the hardest workers and the most dedicated to improving their communication skills...they definitely taught me a thing or two about preconceived notions.
01-14-09, 09:03 PM
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This is my first post in this Forum. I started checking this out about a month ago because I want to get a road bike. I have always had Nishiki mountain bikes and have dilligently searching for a Nishiki road bike. The info on C&V has been extremely helpful. To answer the question, I am a city planner in the STL area.
01-14-09, 10:24 PM
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This is exciting, we are huge opera fans. Plus my wife teaches high school choral music and employs local singers and PhD candidates (we are close to University of Michigan) as voice teachers in her high school.
I find it hard to sing while cycling, but keeping a constant cadence is good for thinking through music we're rehearsing.
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I find it hard to sing while cycling, but keeping a constant cadence is good for thinking through music we're rehearsing.
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And Purple Haze is strangely appropriate tunage for a 12% climb.
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This is my first post in this Forum. I started checking this out about a month ago because I want to get a road bike. I have always had Nishiki mountain bikes and have dilligently searching for a Nishiki road bike. The info on C&V has been extremely helpful. To answer the question, I am a city planner in the STL area.
01-14-09, 11:20 PM
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Great to hear from you! Special Forces and CIA, eh? Bet you have some stories you can't tell. My older son (age 20) enlisted in the Army on his 18th birthday -- would have gone sooner if he'd had my permission -- and is currently an MP, rank: specialist, E-4, based at Fort Hood, TX. He completed his first tour in Iraq last year and is to be redeployed to Baghdad in the next two or three weeks. He formerly wanted to be a policeman, but now wants nothing to do with that; but he now wants to join the DEA. Any words of advice for him?
01-14-09, 11:44 PM
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Neal,
I checked out your press release, and it touched a chord. As an engineer I find the need to write; standards, specifications, white papers, technical papers, patent language, explanations of "how it works," et cetera. As a former English major I'm regarded by my peers as one of the better writers in the group (This just proves that taste is not created by education!), and I can at least usually clarify by correcting grammar. But I still wonder why engineers write better (so I wouldn't have to do it all!)? I got my BS from Northwestern, and there was then no particular emphasis on writing in the E school. There was a liberal arts core requirement, however, and perhaps the E school felt that was adequate training for the engineers. What I see among the Univ of Mich students I interview and mentor is more emphasis on the softer sides of engineering.
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I checked out your press release, and it touched a chord. As an engineer I find the need to write; standards, specifications, white papers, technical papers, patent language, explanations of "how it works," et cetera. As a former English major I'm regarded by my peers as one of the better writers in the group (This just proves that taste is not created by education!), and I can at least usually clarify by correcting grammar. But I still wonder why engineers write better (so I wouldn't have to do it all!)? I got my BS from Northwestern, and there was then no particular emphasis on writing in the E school. There was a liberal arts core requirement, however, and perhaps the E school felt that was adequate training for the engineers. What I see among the Univ of Mich students I interview and mentor is more emphasis on the softer sides of engineering.
Road Fan
When I attended law school in the late '70's, we were told in the writing class that law firms were spending big bucks to send their lawyers to effective writing classes. When I first was employed by a major I/T services supplier in the late '80's and early '90's, that employer was also paying big bucks to train its employees to write effectively.
How anyone graduated from high school, let alone any college, without the ability to write effectively is beyond me. My teachers in high school and my professors at two universities absolutely hammered their students on writing a cohesive paper.
I will say that all my friends who are engineers are excellent writers. On the other hand, they are all U-M graduates as well, so that may skew it a bit.
01-15-09, 06:55 AM
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Absolutely! I had assignments in Waterton Canyon, Littleton, Hampton and Wadsworth, and Deer Creek (former Johns Manville) facilities. Most of my time was spent at Waterton, the main plant and engineering center, and best suited to military work. I never worked at the Denver Tech Center, out Arapahoe and I-25.
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David, I mistyped, and left out the word "don't!" My feeling is that engineers generally don't write effectively.
We're on the same page.
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We're on the same page.
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And to keep it on topic, I'll just add that I'm in my sixth and (god-willing) final year of grad school in the English dept at the U of M. We'll see what happens once I go on the job market....
I have to say, of all the students I've had in my composition courses, the engineering students are, by and large, the hardest workers and the most dedicated to improving their communication skills...they definitely taught me a thing or two about preconceived notions.
I have to say, of all the students I've had in my composition courses, the engineering students are, by and large, the hardest workers and the most dedicated to improving their communication skills...they definitely taught me a thing or two about preconceived notions.
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I graduated with a bachelor of engineering in civil/environmental engineering. I practiced as an engineer for about 7 yrs (mostly design of groundwater extraction and treatment systems; landfills, etc.) while getting a masters in engineering at night (environmental) and then attending law school at night. I have been practicing as a lawyer (patent litigator) for the past 7 yrs.
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I have 35 years with the Federal Government, 29 of them with Social Security. My job is secure. The boomers are reaching retirement age and a lot of them are forced to retire early because they've lost their jobs.
