Ok all, I need some suggestions for mid-60's components for my project. Specifically, stems, handlebars, saddles, maybe a crankset, long cage derailleurs, brakes. Things that would have been available from say 1965-1967 and appropriate on a high-end Italian bike. Let the suggestions begin...

Look for age appropriate Campy components. I don't think long cage deraileurs were available until a bit later. Roger

The guy I bought the bike from thought most of the components were original except for the brakes(DuraAce) and wheelset(Tipo/Nissi).The rear Derailluer is Campy Nuovo with no patent date and it looks like an early version. My new project requires a patent date of 73 so you might get some more goodies before long.....

Sweet! Let me know what the shipping was on the frame

I figured everything that can be would have been Campy Record but I would have thought the derailleur would have been old style Record rather than Nuovo Record. Maybe it was replaced early on. What were the stem, bars, and saddle? I'm tossing around either Universal Model 61 or Model 125 for the brakes. I suspect a Brooks Pro saddle would have been original. I have a Unica laying around but that might not have come along until a few years later.

It's gonna cost money but go Campy Record. 151 cranks, steel rear derailleur, early headset, "no Record" hubs.

Universal brakes, sidepulls or Mod 61 CP's. Ambrosio Champion stem, or steel Cinelli if you can find one. Ambrosio or Cinelli bars.

Fiamme Red Oval label rims.

Your first 50's or 60's Italian bike is an eye opener money wise if you are used to 70's and 80's rebuilds. Go slow and do it right.

I agree, but if lower than top of the line, cranks may have been steel and cottered.

Theres a couple of Campy Record rear derailluers(63-65) on ebay , the one listed for $75 did not get a bid in his previous attempt and has relisted..(looks nice)..The shipping on the frame was only $40, and thats all I want. (I think its in the right hands now)

Funny you mention that crank...I'm pretty sure that was original but I'd never get it up a hill around here with the limited small ring I could use. I was thinking of the 141bcd just for that reason (and see my other post about putting a long cage on an old style Record derailleur ). Looks similar and much more practical. I want a rider rather than a garage queen. I've seen steel Cinellis on the 'Bay. They look great. They were labeled as track stems though. Is there a difference?

I'll get that in the mail. Hey, can you list all of the components that were on it while you had it, especially crankset, stem, bars, and saddle? That'll help me narrow down some choices. Like I've been saying in other posts, I will compromise where necessary to make it a rider. One thing I want is a significantly sportier configuration than my '72 which is set up for centuries and credit card touring so that will also influence my choices.

I stopped worrying about that stuff. I just build them original and deal with it when I want to ride them. If it's your only bike that's different. But I like that I have to climb in a 48-26 sometimes, you need to embrace the shortfalls of the vintage bikes sometimes to really enjoy them for what they are.

The steel Cinelli stems came in 3 drop angles. There's two track versions and the -17 degree road. You want the road version, which does not seem to come up as often as the track ones lately.

It's always good to have the seller measure the angle if they do not list it, as a lot of sellers always call them "track" regardless.

I got the bike with 170 Strada cranks with 44/53 chainrings and record pedals/Christophe clips.The derailluers and B.B. are N/R with a Record headset(<c>)..The bars and stem are Cinelli and the brakes were some DuraAce side pulls that look like Campy knockoffs.(Saddle is Vetta?)

I don't know enough about that vintage Campy crank to tell without measuring - do you think those are 151bcd old Record or 141bcd (Nuovo) Record. I put 'Nuovo' in parans because I believe Campy called them both Record. Just curious because I'm wondering if we can narrow the year down to 67-68. Was the stem aluminum or steel? I need to check the Campy timeline to see exactly when Nuovo Record rear derailleurs came out.

Maybe some of our Campagnolo experts can narrow down the year though I believe it would have to be either '67 or '68 based on what you have said here.

According to Chuck Schmidt's Campy Timeline, 1966 was the switch from 151 to 144 BCD on the cranks.

https://www.velo-retro.com/tline.html

Alright, so I think I'm ok using the 144bcd crank. That's good to know. I'm focusing on building it as a '66 since that's the year Bottecchia won the Giro, the Italian championship and the world championship.

[edit] Hmmm...looking again at the timeline the 144bcd crank and Nuovo Record rear derailleur would both have been appropriate for 1967. I have never seen a 1968 Bottecchia, not even a picture but the decals of the boom period touted the 1964-67 victories so one might reasonably assume that Bottecchia would have stuck that on their decals right away. My assumption has always been that the '68's were the start of the boom period style that as far as I can tell lasted until '74. A guy in the club I ride with has a '69 Bottecchia that he bought new in '69 and it looks exactly like my '72 so I know it's no later than a '68. It doesn't look like there would be any major differences between a '66 and '67 other than the rear derailleur.

I think DuraAce brakes did not come out before 1974, right? They'd be too new for Kommisar's project.

And they're Japanese The Madonna del Ghisallo would weep bitter tears

Don't need "no-Record" hubs for mid-60's - "Record" version was available circa 1963, even though the two styles seem to have overlapped for quite a while.

If you go with 144 BCD, the advantages in terms of low gear might be somewhat offset via a vis the chainring difference the Record derailleur will be happy with. You may want to go relatively small with the big ring. I have a bike with a Record rear and a standard 144BCD crankset, but I haven't really been able to ride it yet in order to judge how well it shifts. While the 144BCD cranks may indeed have been available in '66 (and on some pro bikes, i.e. Anquetil's, quite a bit earlier), I'm not sure how common they were on production bikes that year - my guess is not very.

If you're patient, the Universal brakes can still be purchased relatively cheaply.

You will need the Campagnolo shifters with the black backing plates to be correct rather then the silver plates that appeared circa 1970. You probably also want the Record front derailleur with the built-in cable stop. If you're patient, you can also find one of those without paying an arm and a leg (the ones with the slots in the stop are a bit cheaper). There's also a different top-of-BB clamp-on cable guide that goes with that derailleur - has a tunnel.

You'll also need a no-limit-line Record seatpost. I'm not sure about which logo would be correct, though there are a couple of "flavors" of Record posts.

We all would, my friend.

Simple: If you look at the chainring bolts on the 144s, they're almost to the inner edge of the chainring. On the 151s there's about 1/8" space...

The 151s went down to 44 teeth on the inner, only 2 from the 42 of the 144s. I've actually picked up a couple on ebay in the last year for not outrageous prices.

Yep, the 151's are pretty easy to eyeball once you know what you're looking for:

https://tinyurl.com/7kfhhs

(I think you would also be OK going Magistroni on the crankset)

I have an early 1960's Frejus frame. As you know, you can go period-specific or just put on what you like. I went with all late 1970's Suntour Superbe. To me, it's not exact period-specific - but huge difference in what I had before (70's huret, not original -not great, with late 60's universal center-pulls). Late 1970's Suntour Superbe just rocks. Still vintage to me even if it's somewhat a franken-bike. My old set-up will likely sit in a bag since it's unlikely that I'll ever go back.

You can actually mount a 41T ring on a 144mm BCD crank, but I don't think Campy offered 41T 144mm BCD rings until the mid 70s.

The cranks are 144s, the bolts are a little farther out on the chainring than my set from the early 60s, I might have a Record front Derailluer with cablestop/slotted in my parts bin....I'll check later and let you know.......

Scarcer than hen's teeth I've heard though I think maybe Specialties TA still offers them.

Yes, TA still makes them (I have one on one of my bikes), and Ofmega/Avocet used to make one. But in any case I still have an NOS Campy one: