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Old 01-23-09 | 09:35 PM
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I have your front derailleur right here...

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Old 01-23-09 | 11:44 PM
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There's nothing "suicide" about a lever front derailleur. You take your hand off the handlebars to shift it?? ... so that's suicidal? Then downtube shifters are "suicide downtube shifters", and water bottles are "suicide water bottles". Only Americans, and only newbies, call a lever front derailleur a suicide front derailleur. They weren't called that in the US back in the day, and they aren't called that anywhere else to this day.
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Old 01-23-09 | 11:50 PM
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why not stem shifters? xtra long suntour power ratchets. SNG aftermarket levers. Worse than kronos
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
I have your front derailleur right here...
If you think a simple "grab and shift" rod is suicide-stuff, you can send that PX over to me right now, along with all your Cambio Corsa equipped machines (in fact, I've been dying to try out something equipped with the latter...)

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Old 01-24-09 | 01:18 AM
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Old 01-24-09 | 02:47 AM
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Revised list #3:

Frame: Cannondale canitliver, Teledyne Titan, Kirk Precision, or Exxon Graftek
Fork: Viscount Aerospace Pro
Stem: 3TTT/Modolo Equipe/AVA
Handlebar: AVA (alternates with proper clamp diameter needed for the 3TTT and Modolo setups)
Seatpost: Shiba Western, plastic
Saddle: Anything with a carbon frame.
Crankset: Shimano MTB death cranks
Derailers: Simplex Prestige
Pedals: Aformentioned Cinellis
Brake calipers: Campagnolo Delta (not necessarily set up with care)
Brake levers: Universal 69
Rims: Steel, single wall 700C, smooth-edge
Hubs: Campagnolo C-Record Sheriff Star, radial front, 2 cross rear
Tires: Anything made to be run at 100+ PSI

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Old 01-24-09 | 03:31 AM
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Oh, yes! Make sure the brake surface is smooooooooth (no "bumps) and then ride downhill in the rain.
Per both Frank Berto and Bicycling Science the dimpled steel wheels were even worse in the rain. The dimples acted as water traps which kept a supply available to keep everything nice and wet for longer than the smooth steel rims.
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Old 01-24-09 | 05:23 AM
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Just lace them radial and be done with it.

Better yet, lace them radial into one of those crappy, 20-spoke, non-eyeletted Bontrager Race Lite rims. Can you say "snap, crackle, pop?"

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You can say "snap, crackle, crash!"
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Old 01-24-09 | 10:16 AM
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Didn't Viscount have a problem with their bottom brackets? I thought I read that somewhere, but I could be wrong. Aluminum spindles, maybe?
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Old 01-24-09 | 10:41 AM
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whats an mtb death crank?
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Old 01-24-09 | 11:11 AM
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...And if it's a fixie, no sprocket locknut, just Loctite (like some fixie fans apparently do).
I use JB Weld

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Old 01-24-09 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tatfiend
Be sure to build it with chromed steel rims (no hook edge) and high pressure Kevlar bead tires.
Originally Posted by bikingshearer
Oh, yes! Make sure the brake surface is smooooooooth (no "bumps) and then ride downhill in the rain.
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Per both Frank Berto and Bicycling Science the dimpled steel wheels were even worse in the rain. The dimples acted as water traps which kept a supply available to keep everything nice and wet for longer than the smooth steel rims.
What about the brake pads? Leather?
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Old 01-24-09 | 03:10 PM
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why not stem shifters? xtra long suntour power ratchets. SNG aftermarket levers. Worse than kronos
How about a top tube shifter, ala the Schwin Krates?
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Old 01-24-09 | 03:10 PM
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What about the brake pads? Leather?
Brake-Pads: Modolo sintered off the original Modolo Speedy brake-sets. Guaranteed not to stop you. And do what I did once when I actually built a 'suicide-bike' - grease the rims with Teflon.

For the handlebars, I used old-style BMX handlebars held in place with a shim cut from a beer can. Deadly!
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Old 01-24-09 | 03:36 PM
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Why bother with brakes levers? Just hack them off and leave a nice set of suicide levers.

And with all of these valuable suggestions, why stop at just one frame? Why not use two or three - chopped/stretched/welded - something worthy of the 'Alt Bike Culture' forum?
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Old 01-24-09 | 03:58 PM
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stem might be a Cinelli !R. The ones on my racing bike broke, and now the ones on my commuter are slipping. Afraid to tighten them up tight enough.
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Old 01-24-09 | 04:38 PM
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Old 01-24-09 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cudak888
If you think a simple "grab and shift" rod is suicide-stuff, you can send that PX over to me right now, along with all your Cambio Corsa equipped machines (in fact, I've been dying to try out something equipped with the latter...)

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I posted that in an attempt at humour... the Simplex Competition is actually a pretty smooth and fairly bombproof shifter that isn't that hard to use.

I only wish I had a bike that was equipped with Cambio Corsa shifters.

And Edith (The '57 Peugeot) will be staying right here thankyouverymuch.

I could send you some AVA stems...
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Old 01-24-09 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Herneka
Didn't Viscount have a problem with their bottom brackets? I thought I read that somewhere, but I could be wrong. Aluminum spindles, maybe?
Their axle spindles are notoriously weak but thankfully... they are serviceable.

https://bikecult.com/works/parts/bbViscount.html

My friend rides a Viscount (fixed gear conversion) and has replaced the death fork with a nice fully chromed Reynolds fork and his bb is looking like it is also due to be replaced.
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
How about a top tube shifter, ala the Schwin Krates?
Stick with C&V stuff. If that was the type of suicide bike you had in mind, one could just as well take a Schwinn Varsity frame, make it a fixie, put a fork on it with V-brake mounts, set the V-brakes too tight, and wait for a bike thief to steal it (and subsequently throw himself over the bars when he realizes that he can't ride fixed, and jams the front brake).

The trick is to build a machine with hazardous-by-nature components that are not out of the ordinary for any C&V road machine.

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Old 01-25-09 | 06:35 AM
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Be sure to build it with chromed steel rims (no hook edge) and high pressure Kevlar bead tires.
Nice one.....
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Old 01-28-09 | 06:25 AM
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Mention of Viscounts (knew they would feature reminds me of a certain problem I had....

To be fair though it was nothing to do with the Viscount, and luckily it went "wooly" at 5mph on the pavement.
Probably the result of a mild impact a week or so before.
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Old 01-28-09 | 06:59 AM
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Campy NR's need to be put back on the list. while Shimano did have problem with that particular crank they did recall them versus Campy who B.S.'d the public for years.

Everyone knows about the Campy's cracking yet they still pay top dollar....that right there is reason to be on the list.
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Old 01-28-09 | 08:54 AM
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Fair enough. NR on the right side, Shimano MTB on the left

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Old 01-28-09 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter_B
There's nothing "suicide" about a lever front derailleur. You take your hand off the handlebars to shift it?? ... so that's suicidal? Then downtube shifters are "suicide downtube shifters", and water bottles are "suicide water bottles". Only Americans, and only newbies, call a lever front derailleur a suicide front derailleur. They weren't called that in the US back in the day, and they aren't called that anywhere else to this day.
How true.
Suicide just seems a convenient, sensationalist, eye grabbing tag to add to something you may not like, or never grew up with.
I think Penny Farthings look dangerous, but they were the only thing available at a certain place in time.
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