The Ultimate 'suicide' bicycle thread.
#27
There's nothing "suicide" about a lever front derailleur. You take your hand off the handlebars to shift it?? ... so that's suicidal? Then downtube shifters are "suicide downtube shifters", and water bottles are "suicide water bottles". Only Americans, and only newbies, call a lever front derailleur a suicide front derailleur. They weren't called that in the US back in the day, and they aren't called that anywhere else to this day.
#28
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why not stem shifters? xtra long suntour power ratchets. SNG aftermarket levers. Worse than kronos
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If you think a simple "grab and shift" rod is suicide-stuff, you can send that PX over to me right now, along with all your Cambio Corsa equipped machines (in fact, I've been dying to try out something equipped with the latter...)
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Revised list #3:
Frame: Cannondale canitliver, Teledyne Titan, Kirk Precision, or Exxon Graftek
Fork: Viscount Aerospace Pro
Stem: 3TTT/Modolo Equipe/AVA
Handlebar: AVA (alternates with proper clamp diameter needed for the 3TTT and Modolo setups)
Seatpost: Shiba Western, plastic
Saddle: Anything with a carbon frame.
Crankset: Shimano MTB death cranks
Derailers: Simplex Prestige
Pedals: Aformentioned Cinellis
Brake calipers: Campagnolo Delta (not necessarily set up with care)
Brake levers: Universal 69
Rims: Steel, single wall 700C, smooth-edge
Hubs: Campagnolo C-Record Sheriff Star, radial front, 2 cross rear
Tires: Anything made to be run at 100+ PSI
-Kurt
Frame: Cannondale canitliver, Teledyne Titan, Kirk Precision, or Exxon Graftek
Fork: Viscount Aerospace Pro
Stem: 3TTT/Modolo Equipe/AVA
Handlebar: AVA (alternates with proper clamp diameter needed for the 3TTT and Modolo setups)
Seatpost: Shiba Western, plastic
Saddle: Anything with a carbon frame.
Crankset: Shimano MTB death cranks
Derailers: Simplex Prestige
Pedals: Aformentioned Cinellis
Brake calipers: Campagnolo Delta (not necessarily set up with care)
Brake levers: Universal 69
Rims: Steel, single wall 700C, smooth-edge
Hubs: Campagnolo C-Record Sheriff Star, radial front, 2 cross rear
Tires: Anything made to be run at 100+ PSI
-Kurt
#32
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Per both Frank Berto and Bicycling Science the dimpled steel wheels were even worse in the rain. The dimples acted as water traps which kept a supply available to keep everything nice and wet for longer than the smooth steel rims.
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Didn't Viscount have a problem with their bottom brackets? I thought I read that somewhere, but I could be wrong. Aluminum spindles, maybe?
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#39
Brake-Pads: Modolo sintered off the original Modolo Speedy brake-sets. Guaranteed not to stop you. And do what I did once when I actually built a 'suicide-bike' - grease the rims with Teflon.
For the handlebars, I used old-style BMX handlebars held in place with a shim cut from a beer can. Deadly!
For the handlebars, I used old-style BMX handlebars held in place with a shim cut from a beer can. Deadly!
#40
Why bother with brakes levers? Just hack them off and leave a nice set of suicide levers.
And with all of these valuable suggestions, why stop at just one frame? Why not use two or three - chopped/stretched/welded - something worthy of the 'Alt Bike Culture' forum?
And with all of these valuable suggestions, why stop at just one frame? Why not use two or three - chopped/stretched/welded - something worthy of the 'Alt Bike Culture' forum?
#43
I only wish I had a bike that was equipped with Cambio Corsa shifters.
And Edith (The '57 Peugeot) will be staying right here thankyouverymuch.
I could send you some AVA stems...
#44
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My friend rides a Viscount (fixed gear conversion) and has replaced the death fork with a nice fully chromed Reynolds fork and his bb is looking like it is also due to be replaced.
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Stick with C&V stuff. If that was the type of suicide bike you had in mind, one could just as well take a Schwinn Varsity frame, make it a fixie, put a fork on it with V-brake mounts, set the V-brakes too tight, and wait for a bike thief to steal it (and subsequently throw himself over the bars when he realizes that he can't ride fixed, and jams the front brake).
The trick is to build a machine with hazardous-by-nature components that are not out of the ordinary for any C&V road machine.
-Kurt
The trick is to build a machine with hazardous-by-nature components that are not out of the ordinary for any C&V road machine.
-Kurt
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#47
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Mention of Viscounts (knew they would feature
reminds me of a certain problem I had....

To be fair though it was nothing to do with the Viscount, and luckily it went "wooly" at 5mph on the pavement.
Probably the result of a mild impact a week or so before.
reminds me of a certain problem I had....
To be fair though it was nothing to do with the Viscount, and luckily it went "wooly" at 5mph on the pavement.
Probably the result of a mild impact a week or so before.
#48
Campy NR's need to be put back on the list. while Shimano did have problem with that particular crank they did recall them versus Campy who B.S.'d the public for years.
Everyone knows about the Campy's cracking yet they still pay top dollar....that right there is reason to be on the list.
Everyone knows about the Campy's cracking yet they still pay top dollar....that right there is reason to be on the list.
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There's nothing "suicide" about a lever front derailleur. You take your hand off the handlebars to shift it?? ... so that's suicidal? Then downtube shifters are "suicide downtube shifters", and water bottles are "suicide water bottles". Only Americans, and only newbies, call a lever front derailleur a suicide front derailleur. They weren't called that in the US back in the day, and they aren't called that anywhere else to this day.
Suicide just seems a convenient, sensationalist, eye grabbing tag to add to something you may not like, or never grew up with.
I think Penny Farthings look dangerous, but they were the only thing available at a certain place in time.














