Opinions on this Saronni please
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Opinions on this Saronni please
I recently won this on ebay and after making the short drive to pick it up, I found that the frame had some damage. The seller and I agreed on a discounted price and I brought it home. The bike was built up with a combo of old Campy NR and Suntour Superbe. Tubing appears to be Columbus Aelle, with a 26.8 seat tube. The frames seems to have taken a header. There is some slight rippling under the top and down tube. No damage, that I noted, to the fork. The down tube seam looks like it separated, it doesn't move when I apply force to it but it looks almost crimped.
From what I could find during my internet searches is that this frame was built, or maybe contracted by Colnago. This link shows a similar SL version, https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/colnago/03.jpg. The lug work is nice and looks "Colnago-esque" on the seat cluster and head tube joints - but the bottom bracket area is a little rough. Frame weight isn't to bad, but the fork is very heavy. Serial number "51" stamped on the rt. rear drop-out and also on the steer tube.
Is it worth saving? I haven't found many pictures of them around and wonder if the repair cost would greatly exceed its value. Your thoughts would be appreciated.




From what I could find during my internet searches is that this frame was built, or maybe contracted by Colnago. This link shows a similar SL version, https://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/colnago/03.jpg. The lug work is nice and looks "Colnago-esque" on the seat cluster and head tube joints - but the bottom bracket area is a little rough. Frame weight isn't to bad, but the fork is very heavy. Serial number "51" stamped on the rt. rear drop-out and also on the steer tube.
Is it worth saving? I haven't found many pictures of them around and wonder if the repair cost would greatly exceed its value. Your thoughts would be appreciated.




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it's a tough call, but what you have is basically an entry-level Colnago, built by the same (or one of) builder but out of Aelle to offer a slightly lower cost. I'm not sure what you mean by the "seam" that is separated: do you mean the tubing itself is opening up? If that's the case then you'd really need to replace the DT and a competent job would be at least $150, likely more...and then you need paint. If it's just a buckle in the tube, I'd build it and ride it to decide if it handles well and go from there. I don't think I'd spent $$ on a tube replacement if it were mine. Otherwise: the uncompromised frame probably rides just like a 'Nago.
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Not worth putting significant money into, no, IMO.
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If I'm reading the down tube decal correctly you've got a Tipo Sprint model there. Definately not a Colnago Saronni but a nice little bike all the same.
Mine originally had a Suntour Cyclone/Gippieme/Ofmega mixed bag of parts, now mostly NR.
Like the others I'm not sure it's worth major reconstruction. If it's structurally sound and straight just build it up and ride her.
Heres a shot of mine.
'Rasher
Mine originally had a Suntour Cyclone/Gippieme/Ofmega mixed bag of parts, now mostly NR.
Like the others I'm not sure it's worth major reconstruction. If it's structurally sound and straight just build it up and ride her.
Heres a shot of mine.
'Rasher
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Thanks for input roadrasher. Yes, it is a Tipo. Your bike is the only real visual match I found while searching the net. If not Colnago, where did these frames come from? They seem to be around the same year as the Colnagos.
This bike does not fit me, so I will probably pass it someone who has the ability to repair it and ride it.
This bike does not fit me, so I will probably pass it someone who has the ability to repair it and ride it.
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[QUOTE=velomateo;8308347]If not Colnago, where did these frames come from? They seem to be around the same year as the Colnagos. /QUOTE]
Velomateo, thats the million...well twenty $ question. I couldn't find those answers either.
The one thing I discovered is the Colnago Saronni's had the club insignia on the frame decals-as per your catalog picture - while our's don't. I don't know if this the only way to distingush manufacturers. The Tipo's I've seen always had fairly low end component packages while the Colnagos generally had Campy NR or SR builds. These Tipos may very well have been built along side Colnagos,who knows? There were probably dozens of factories piling out all kinds of "marque's" back then, I have and old 60's bike badged Norstar, made in Italy and imported into Canada whose lugwork is identical to a Fausto Coppi among others i've seen on these pages.
I've seen very few Saronni's around and regardless of overall quality I think they're pretty cool and mine rides like a dream.
Cheers.
Velomateo, thats the million...well twenty $ question. I couldn't find those answers either.
The one thing I discovered is the Colnago Saronni's had the club insignia on the frame decals-as per your catalog picture - while our's don't. I don't know if this the only way to distingush manufacturers. The Tipo's I've seen always had fairly low end component packages while the Colnagos generally had Campy NR or SR builds. These Tipos may very well have been built along side Colnagos,who knows? There were probably dozens of factories piling out all kinds of "marque's" back then, I have and old 60's bike badged Norstar, made in Italy and imported into Canada whose lugwork is identical to a Fausto Coppi among others i've seen on these pages.
I've seen very few Saronni's around and regardless of overall quality I think they're pretty cool and mine rides like a dream.
Cheers.







