Rolling Tube Dents
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Groupetto Dragon-Ass

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Rolling "The Mother of all Tube Dents"
Rolled "The Mother of all Dents" out of the downtube on my Big Trash Austro-Daimler yesterday.
Big, flat and ugly; it was bad enough where the previous owner put the bike, less wheels, out for pickup.
Interestingly, with a BIG dent in the downtube and a pretty impressive handlebar dent on the other side of the top tube, the frame still measures true.
I always wanted an Inter-10, and hid the frame thinking I would get a couple Bicycle Research blocks some day. Got them and had time to play with the big dent yesterday. Looks good.
Going to work out the top tube dent in the coming week. Big dent's ready for some filler.
Anybody have hints to share?
Big, flat and ugly; it was bad enough where the previous owner put the bike, less wheels, out for pickup.
Interestingly, with a BIG dent in the downtube and a pretty impressive handlebar dent on the other side of the top tube, the frame still measures true.
I always wanted an Inter-10, and hid the frame thinking I would get a couple Bicycle Research blocks some day. Got them and had time to play with the big dent yesterday. Looks good.
Going to work out the top tube dent in the coming week. Big dent's ready for some filler.
Anybody have hints to share?
Last edited by Chuckk; 04-01-09 at 04:23 PM.
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Oh interesting and timely thread.
I have a Schwinn Prelude with a slight top tube dent I was considering trying this method on.
Did you rotate the frame around the blocks in the vise?
As for filler, I remembered car assembly lines used solder and flowed it into seams between welded panels and then made smooth with large soldering irons and files.
I once asked about this method to fill gouges to a ball burnished AL frame chainstay where Bondo wouldn't suffice. I got no feedback if it would be applicable to frames. Heat might be the issue, needing enough to flow the solder.
Metal filler has definitely been used to fill in small dents and gouges on steel frames. Pics from a LBS website shows the end result. No mention of the metal though, I wonder if it's solder?
I have a Schwinn Prelude with a slight top tube dent I was considering trying this method on.
Did you rotate the frame around the blocks in the vise?
As for filler, I remembered car assembly lines used solder and flowed it into seams between welded panels and then made smooth with large soldering irons and files.
I once asked about this method to fill gouges to a ball burnished AL frame chainstay where Bondo wouldn't suffice. I got no feedback if it would be applicable to frames. Heat might be the issue, needing enough to flow the solder.
Metal filler has definitely been used to fill in small dents and gouges on steel frames. Pics from a LBS website shows the end result. No mention of the metal though, I wonder if it's solder?
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Yup, cleaned off the area, lots of white spray grease, then twist back and fourth while slowly closing the vise.
The dent was so long to begin with that I also had to work the block from one side of the dent to the other at the same time.
The dent was so long to begin with that I also had to work the block from one side of the dent to the other at the same time.
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Rolled "The Mother of all Dents" out of the downtube on my Big Trash Austro-Daimler yesterday.
Big, flat and ugly; it was bad enough where the previous owner put the bike, less wheels, out for pickup.
Interestingly, with a BIG dent in the downtube and a pretty impressive handlebar dent on the other side of the top tube, the frame still measures true.
I always wanted an Inter-10, and hid the frame thinking I would get a couple Bicycle Research blocks some day. Got them and had time to play with the big dent yesterday. Looks good.
Going to work out the top tube dent in the coming week. Big dent's ready for some filler.
Anybody have hints to share?
Big, flat and ugly; it was bad enough where the previous owner put the bike, less wheels, out for pickup.
Interestingly, with a BIG dent in the downtube and a pretty impressive handlebar dent on the other side of the top tube, the frame still measures true.
I always wanted an Inter-10, and hid the frame thinking I would get a couple Bicycle Research blocks some day. Got them and had time to play with the big dent yesterday. Looks good.
Going to work out the top tube dent in the coming week. Big dent's ready for some filler.
Anybody have hints to share?
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This doesn't seem to be as exciting to anybody else as it is to me, but here's the reduction of the BIG handlebar dent that the misadventure must have caused on the other side of the frame.
It really looks better now than it seems in the after picture.
It really looks better now than it seems in the after picture.
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I must say it is impressive though I'm not entirely sure how it works. I'd like to see a video of it being done.
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
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Finished up the filling today. Didn't try lead - Used Loctite Liquid Metal on the big ding, and Bondo Glazing compound on them all. First dusting with primer looks good.
BIG dent, big handlebar dent, and offside handlebar ding ready for primer:
BIG dent, big handlebar dent, and offside handlebar ding ready for primer:
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Unusually dry today, so I rushed ahead with the paint.
Looks pretty good. Can't find the big dent or little handlebar dent, can find the big handlebar dent if I look for it.
Next step is gold pinstripes around the black bands, then Probably Cyclomondo's A-D decal on the black.
Next step is the build..... Man, I don't have much around that's any good anymore! Should have gone to Frankenbike instead of painting.
Looks pretty good. Can't find the big dent or little handlebar dent, can find the big handlebar dent if I look for it.
Next step is gold pinstripes around the black bands, then Probably Cyclomondo's A-D decal on the black.
Next step is the build..... Man, I don't have much around that's any good anymore! Should have gone to Frankenbike instead of painting.
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Unusually dry today, so I rushed ahead with the paint.
Looks pretty good. Can't find the big dent or little handlebar dent, can find the big handlebar dent if I look for it.
Next step is gold pinstripes around the black bands, then Probably Cyclomondo's A-D decal on the black.
Next step is the build..... Man, I don't have much around that's any good anymore! Should have gone to Frankenbike instead of painting.
Looks pretty good. Can't find the big dent or little handlebar dent, can find the big handlebar dent if I look for it.
Next step is gold pinstripes around the black bands, then Probably Cyclomondo's A-D decal on the black.
Next step is the build..... Man, I don't have much around that's any good anymore! Should have gone to Frankenbike instead of painting.
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1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
1959 Bottecchia Milano-Sanremo(frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame),
1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special, 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame),
1974 Peugeot UO-8, 1988 Panasonic PT-3500, 2002 Bianchi Veloce, 2004 Bianchi Pista
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Hard to take a closeup of a black tube, but here's one! Paint's not rubbed out yet.
Buddy promised to paint the pinstripes around the ends of the black panels.
Decided that where the model name should go on the top panel (Inter-10), if I can get some appropriate lettering I'll label it "Yunker" with an umlaut over the U - because of it's heritage.
Photo of what I pieced together from the spares box for it. I need to find a shorter stem and rounder handlebars. Might buy some fenders if she rides nice.
Buddy promised to paint the pinstripes around the ends of the black panels.
Decided that where the model name should go on the top panel (Inter-10), if I can get some appropriate lettering I'll label it "Yunker" with an umlaut over the U - because of it's heritage.
Photo of what I pieced together from the spares box for it. I need to find a shorter stem and rounder handlebars. Might buy some fenders if she rides nice.
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If there is a standard for filling dents, it is silver -- the same as used for building lugged frames. This takes more heat than solder, but is quite a bit stronger, and done correctly does not weaken the tubing. You then have a dent repair that is more than cosmetic and is actually structural.
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Thanks for this thread Chuckk--I've been wondering about the dent rolling blocks myself. True DIY spirit definitely shines on this one.
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Puch simply called this color 'Burgundy.' But it's a much more complex color(s) than one word can reasonably define. The Puch SLE also comes in this color(s). My oddball Puch has the same paint as the Inter 10. It looks like an Inter 10 at first. But then one notices the variations in the geometry at play.
I have since installed black leather bar-tape:
I have since installed black leather bar-tape:
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Headed to the kidz house last night, and stopped at an AutoZone along the way.
Picked up a roll of Prostripe Bright Metallic Gold double striping.
Got started after I got home last night and couldn't stop.
Dragged it out in the morning sun this morning. Patches look great, but now I'm going to have to touch up the rest of the paint!
Photos show the coloring, and the "Giant Bugger of a Dent" spot on the downtube:
Already tested the top tube! While I had it together to test the build, it fell over and wacked the top tube with the BARE handlebar GOOD! Little skuff mark, but no new damage or flying Bondo.
More clear tomorrow, then back together and see how she rides.
Picked up a roll of Prostripe Bright Metallic Gold double striping.
Got started after I got home last night and couldn't stop.
Dragged it out in the morning sun this morning. Patches look great, but now I'm going to have to touch up the rest of the paint!
Photos show the coloring, and the "Giant Bugger of a Dent" spot on the downtube:
Already tested the top tube! While I had it together to test the build, it fell over and wacked the top tube with the BARE handlebar GOOD! Little skuff mark, but no new damage or flying Bondo.
More clear tomorrow, then back together and see how she rides.
Last edited by Chuckk; 04-01-09 at 12:33 PM.
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