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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
(Post 8636320)
This bike is an example of why you can't attribute neat, year-end changes to frame details - it doesn't fit the timeline. It's a 'tweener. The absence of "Colnago" in the caps should indicate late 70's according to the timeline, but the block bridge says circa 1980 or later. Lots of these bikes that don't neatly fit the timeline exist - it's easy enough in this case to say 1979-80 and be pretty much on the money, given the coexistence of two details that should be chronologically separated (according to one theory, anyway).
Jim |
Originally Posted by miamijim
(Post 8636335)
Thanks for advice, its appreciated,
Jim |
Originally Posted by Picchio Special
(Post 8636353)
It's a neat bike - I'll bet it rides great. They usually do.
There are only 3* Italian parts on it, the seat pin, Cinelli bars, Cinelli stem and Avocet seat*. |
Originally Posted by Picchio Special
(Post 8636281)
OK, but now you're contradicting yourself - you said in your pervious post that the flatter crown "speaks of '80-81 models," and now you want to push that all the way to '83. Bulgier gives '81 as the date for that catalog, BTW.
but thats what I've been saying, there was no real 'spec' for any year during those years. Colnago was an artisan shop, like the many artisan shops around in those years. They became swamped with orders from the US (and rest of the developed world) and did what they could, used what they had to build and fill the demand. Not saying in a 'bad' way. I believe they stayed as true as possible to their 'concept' of Colnago, or at least tried. and the tubing manufacturers were 'experimenting' with new pipe also, 753, Gilco... and the japanese had stormed the market in a big way... it was a crazy time for higher end bikes... alot of the U08 buyers were now dumpin the french gaspipe for the same, but even pricier stuff (or similar stuff) from the EYE-dees. And Pantographing was like so much more kool... I remember one kid (he was 18 at the time, I wuz training a bunch of these snotnosers...) showing up at the weekly training ride with a powder blue 'Super' (made me gag... where he found it, he would never say) panto'd everything AND had had glued on Clement Crit Setas with BLUE Rubber for tread. Gawd, it looked like a '56 red cadillac from Newark (NJ...) !!!! I've ridden a bunch of nagos, from a range of years and, given the condition, they all were slightly different and also close enough to feel like nagos... In all cases I believe they (the Colnago folks, and really all the small shop builders...) held to the 'build' geometry which, in large part, makes the ride. Not necessarily better than many other Marks, just different. then there was that West Coast Guy distributing Colnagos and supposedly also selling Nagos labeled under his 'House' Name - I forget that label... I was an East Coaster until '89. anyway, I think 'handgrenade' close is mostly what you can hope to do, unless you were the 1st buyer. In which case you know when it was on the sales rack, just not when, or by whom it was made. I think its all cool, and I love imagining there was some sweaty Italian laboring in a dark and dirty coal bin 'brazing' together my frame (and others). I have visited a few shops in Europe and many were like that... (AS well as Vic & Mike Fraysse's basement in NJ - shortterm Shop for many a great builder). From all that, I have HUGE regard for the guys who still work gaspipe into the magic we can call a bike... BTW, miamijim - nice! you'll have great fun with that! enjoy! its all good |
colnago
Here's a similar one I picked 2 weeks ago, different details. Paid $300 bucks for it. don't know a year either I was thinking early 80's
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Originally Posted by cyclezen
(Post 8636865)
yes, contradicting myself... for sure...
but thats what I've been saying, there was no real 'spec' for any year during those years. |
I'd love to see saronni red.
Post a pic? Marc
Originally Posted by cyclezen
(Post 8636232)
Chrome Rear Drops faces and right chainstay - I'd call this one on bulgier.net an '82ish... or maybe '83
your chainstay bridge - just like my very early '80... mine also has no chrome, except for full chrome fork if you want to see what 'Saronni Red' looks like, at least after aging for 29 years, lemme know :lol: man, they had crappy paint jobs back in those years... surprisingly though, things didn't rust as badly as Reynolds 531 frames do. Must be something in the Columbus tube composition, or maybe just my sweat... interesting... from the guide posted above... "1980 -- Fluted seat stay caps engraved COLNAGO and straight seat stays (no longer biconical) 1980 -- Brake bridge with cast square boss for recessed brake bolt ---- 1981 -- Chain stay bridge is small spool shape (no longer tube) ---- 1982 -- Chain stays stamped COLNAGO on sides 1982 -- Cable routing on underside of bottom bracket" mine, (bought new by me in mid-80 direct from distributor...) has: biconical fluted seatstays engraved Colnago..., Brake Bridge with square boss, spool shaped chain bridge... >cable routing UNDER the BB<... plain chainstays with 'chrome' film over the right chain stay... like I said, there was no real set 'model' spec. just what they had on-hand at the moment the torch was lit. |
Dangit, seeing these I think I'm going to have to start looking around.
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Originally Posted by thenomad
(Post 8639789)
Dangit, seeing these I think I'm going to have to start looking around.
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not wanting to start a new thread, but anyone know where i can find front derailleur clamps for this frame? I'm trying to look for a 28.6mm one for a campy frontD. its kinda hard to find a 28.6mm one.
marc |
Originally Posted by thenomad
(Post 8639789)
Dangit, seeing these I think I'm going to have to start looking around.
Although I didn't have to look too far... :innocent: So I took it down to compare details ... and ended up riding it 30 miles!!:roflmao2: Last time I took Ernesto for a ride was when East Hill came to visit last year. ..or was it two years ago? Before that, I hadn't riden that bike for ten years. And I must say... what a THOROUGHBRED!!!:love: "Coasts uphill" would be apt. :p Thanks for the inspiration to go for a "real" bike ride.:thumb: VIVA COLNAGO! :D |
Colnago on the fork crown is after 75, braze ons for TT cables were optional early to mid 70s, mine also has 3 braze on guides but only the clover on fork crown, worth a mention as some people doubt the authenticity of frames with more than 2 guides!
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Wow. I just wasted 20 minutes hoping I could help someone out before I realized that this was a four year old thread.
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Originally Posted by 16Victor
(Post 16092548)
Wow. I just wasted 20 minutes hoping I could help someone out before I realized that this was a four year old thread.
the upgraded Colnago timeline is on the Velo Retro site here |
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