Why the front fork slope?
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It doesn't matter under most conditions, but at high speed in a crosswind my Capo, with its somewhat long fork rake and long wheelbase, feels considerably less twitchy than my Bianchi.
The Capo certainly is comfortable over bumps.
The Capo certainly is comfortable over bumps.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#27
Taking things to the extreme... <68 degree frame angles, trail in the 4 inch range, a fork that was designed to function as a secondary shock absorber, an immense wheelbase, and oversized 28 inch wheels makes for one incredibly plush ride.
Add to that a rear ward riding position that un-weights the handlebars and you have a bike that has a ride quality that is, in my experience, without equal.
I have ridden a number of Raleigh Tourists and although they share the same geometry and parts I find that my '48 Rudge has an even nicer ride. That might have something to do with how the frames were built and the materials that were used.
Add to that a rear ward riding position that un-weights the handlebars and you have a bike that has a ride quality that is, in my experience, without equal.
I have ridden a number of Raleigh Tourists and although they share the same geometry and parts I find that my '48 Rudge has an even nicer ride. That might have something to do with how the frames were built and the materials that were used.
#28
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Taking things to the extreme... <68 degree frame angles, trail in the 4 inch range, a fork that was designed to function as a secondary shock absorber, an immense wheelbase, and oversized 28 inch wheels makes for one incredibly plush ride.
Add to that a rear ward riding position that un-weights the handlebars and you have a bike that has a ride quality that is, in my experience, without equal.
I have ridden a number of Raleigh Tourists and although they share the same geometry and parts I find that my '48 Rudge has an even nicer ride. That might have something to do with how the frames were built and the materials that were used.

Add to that a rear ward riding position that un-weights the handlebars and you have a bike that has a ride quality that is, in my experience, without equal.
I have ridden a number of Raleigh Tourists and although they share the same geometry and parts I find that my '48 Rudge has an even nicer ride. That might have something to do with how the frames were built and the materials that were used.

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OK, can someone explain to me about track bike geometry?
My understanding of trail and handling is that there is a tradeoff between high and low speeds:
Low trail=low speed stability (quick handling because you can make fast directional adjustments), less stability at high speed (because of quick reaction time)
Hi trail= low speed instability (wobbly handling at low speed), great high speed stability (rides like its on rails at speed)
So which do you want for a track bike? I always assumed that track bikes (which I've never ridden) would have high trail for stability at speed, speed being something you hopefully are spending a lot of time with on the track (which is consistent with very low fork rake that I've observed on track bikes)
However, maybe being nimble (low trail) is actually better for weaving in and out of your competitors. And somehow, despite the bike's being twitchy at speed, you don't lose control when you're hammering away.
Which is it?
My understanding of trail and handling is that there is a tradeoff between high and low speeds:
Low trail=low speed stability (quick handling because you can make fast directional adjustments), less stability at high speed (because of quick reaction time)
Hi trail= low speed instability (wobbly handling at low speed), great high speed stability (rides like its on rails at speed)
So which do you want for a track bike? I always assumed that track bikes (which I've never ridden) would have high trail for stability at speed, speed being something you hopefully are spending a lot of time with on the track (which is consistent with very low fork rake that I've observed on track bikes)
However, maybe being nimble (low trail) is actually better for weaving in and out of your competitors. And somehow, despite the bike's being twitchy at speed, you don't lose control when you're hammering away.
Which is it?
#31
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This was generally recognized as a Good Idea, and by the 80s most other tubing manufacturers had implemented similar practices with their fork blades.
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John you should try my RIGI with a 37.5 wheelbas and 77.5 head and 78.25 seat tube angles I am not sure if the current fork provides the correct 1.5" rake but it is a bit 'squirrely' at times
#34
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This is absolutely true. The only thing the fork curve affects is shock absorption and aesthetics. Aesthetics are a personal matter and shock absorption is something that can be quantified either in a lab or via some modeling. The vector diagram presented previously demonstrates the concept of fork curve on shock absorption but doesn't quantify the effect.
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OK, can someone explain to me about track bike geometry?
My understanding of trail and handling is that there is a tradeoff between high and low speeds:
Low trail=low speed stability (quick handling because you can make fast directional adjustments), less stability at high speed (because of quick reaction time)
Hi trail= low speed instability (wobbly handling at low speed), great high speed stability (rides like its on rails at speed)
So which do you want for a track bike? I always assumed that track bikes (which I've never ridden) would have high trail for stability at speed, speed being something you hopefully are spending a lot of time with on the track (which is consistent with very low fork rake that I've observed on track bikes)
However, maybe being nimble (low trail) is actually better for weaving in and out of your competitors. And somehow, despite the bike's being twitchy at speed, you don't lose control when you're hammering away.
Which is it?
My understanding of trail and handling is that there is a tradeoff between high and low speeds:
Low trail=low speed stability (quick handling because you can make fast directional adjustments), less stability at high speed (because of quick reaction time)
Hi trail= low speed instability (wobbly handling at low speed), great high speed stability (rides like its on rails at speed)
So which do you want for a track bike? I always assumed that track bikes (which I've never ridden) would have high trail for stability at speed, speed being something you hopefully are spending a lot of time with on the track (which is consistent with very low fork rake that I've observed on track bikes)
However, maybe being nimble (low trail) is actually better for weaving in and out of your competitors. And somehow, despite the bike's being twitchy at speed, you don't lose control when you're hammering away.
Which is it?





