Track Frame Identification, please?
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Track Frame Identification, please?
Hello everyone, I was wondering if you could help me identify the track frame I just received. It came from Australia. I would like to know if I should restore it to its former glory, or just keep it as is. It looks like it was British-made, and the guy at the bike shop told me it may be a Holdsworth. I looked up pictures of old Holdsworths and am not too sure. So without further ado, here are pictures:


^It says "S 27"

^"11" Stamped on the bottom of the BB Shell

Campagnolo Track Ends

Rear Brake Bridge


^It has tapering on the lugs on the seat tube.

^And tapering on the downtube

And the double plane fork.
Feel free to move this thread if its in the wrong place. And thanks in advance for the help. I really appreciate it.


^It says "S 27"

^"11" Stamped on the bottom of the BB Shell

Campagnolo Track Ends

Rear Brake Bridge


^It has tapering on the lugs on the seat tube.

^And tapering on the downtube

And the double plane fork.
Feel free to move this thread if its in the wrong place. And thanks in advance for the help. I really appreciate it.
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There were so many Australian frame builders that built track frames it does make tracking down a particular builder almost impossible. Your frame doesn't appear to have any obvious distinguishing features.
I think you did the right thing by looking into the Holdsworth possibility. Often bikes were bought into Australia and sold after a season of racing. Does it look similar to other Holdsworths?
It does look like a strongly built frame with nice long pointed lugs that have been filed thin. I would guess at a 70's vintage. I also wonder if the rear brake bridge was drilled out by a previous owner. I would fill the holes in if I was to do it up.
I like it. I think it is worth doing up.
Best of luck,
Gary.
I think you did the right thing by looking into the Holdsworth possibility. Often bikes were bought into Australia and sold after a season of racing. Does it look similar to other Holdsworths?
It does look like a strongly built frame with nice long pointed lugs that have been filed thin. I would guess at a 70's vintage. I also wonder if the rear brake bridge was drilled out by a previous owner. I would fill the holes in if I was to do it up.
I like it. I think it is worth doing up.
Best of luck,
Gary.
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I'm not so sure its a pure 'track' bike but maybe a path racer given the fork is
also drilled.
Other than that I can't really give any more info on the builder etc.
Marty.
also drilled.
Other than that I can't really give any more info on the builder etc.
Marty.
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Thanks for the replies! The older Holdsworths that I saw had window cutouts in the head lugs, and I didn't see the Campy track ends on them, so I'm not 100% sure its a Holdsworth.
Also, It looks like a previous owner drilled the fork and brake bridge, not the builder. Its a little hard to tell from the photos, but that is what it looks like to me. If/when I restore it, Ill make sure to fill those in.
Anyway thanks again.
Also, It looks like a previous owner drilled the fork and brake bridge, not the builder. Its a little hard to tell from the photos, but that is what it looks like to me. If/when I restore it, Ill make sure to fill those in.
Anyway thanks again.
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I'm not so sure those drilling are not original. In fact the crown almost looks cast with the bolt hole, but it's very difficult to tell without more detailed shots.
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Upon closer inspection, you are right, I think the fork was cast with a bolt hole. The hole is not perfectly round.
It looks closer to a Bosomworth than a Holdsworth too.
This is the picture I am using for refrence though.
It looks closer to a Bosomworth than a Holdsworth too.
This is the picture I am using for refrence though.
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It would be exceptionally difficult and risky to say the least to drill out a twin plate
fork crown, thats one reason why I think it might have been that way originally.
I see a similarity to the Bob Jackson track bike on Classic Rendezvous.
Marty
fork crown, thats one reason why I think it might have been that way originally.
I see a similarity to the Bob Jackson track bike on Classic Rendezvous.
Marty
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A Holdsworth would almost certainly have Campy track ends (what you call DOs on a track frame) since Holdsworthy was the exclusive Campagnolo importer for the UK. The fork crown might be a Milremo piece (just a guess) and, if so, that could have come from Ron Kitching...so, the maker is still a mystery to me.
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^ Actually you are right, I must have not done my homework very well. This is why I came here- a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for the replies, everyone. Hopefully we can figure it out.






