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Old 05-17-09 | 01:58 PM
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Get the Major Taylor stem and call it "The Major." Kind of plays off Gov'nor in a British Empire sort of way.
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I always refer to this as my path bike but it really is a road / path bike...when I actually find some decent half inch pedals that can run cages (that are not BMX pedals) I have a fixed wheel set for this bike I can also run.
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Old 05-17-09 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
Get the Major Taylor stem and call it "The Major." Kind of plays off Gov'nor in a British Empire sort of way.
Very good, Picchio, I like it...

..."the Major". yes

Nice bike, Sixty Fiver, or should I say - Bicycle Repairman??

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chaps - stumbled upon this thread and thought you may like this...


John Bange, Queensland, 1930 - on an original pashley guvnor "pathracer" (stolen from the guvnor owners dot com site)

(I am the owner of a "modern" pashley guvnor "pathracer replica")
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Are you certain this isn't a still shot from one of the Star Wars movies? This guy sort of looks like one of the characters!?!



Actually, it is an amazing shot given the speed of film in 1930. Everything is in focus. And that is a "REAL" path!

Thanks for coming by C&V. Let's see pictures of your replica!
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Holy poop, that's an incredible picture.
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Here is a prime example, one of the higginson twins.

The beauty of the path racer is that in the 50s it was the do it all bike. People didn't own one track racer one commuter and one time trial bike, it was the path racer. That's why most all old path bikes are drilled for brakes and have long dropouts so you can clear mudgaurds. A serious track bike with fender eyelets, cool right. Back then fenders were needed on 25 mile time trials and brakes were needed for commuting and training.
Check in on the "show your holdsworth" page later today to see my 56 holdsworth path racer.
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Old 02-09-10 | 12:12 PM
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Updated picture of the old CCM... with it's new fork.



Running fixed... makes for a pretty light bike this way as the 27's and coaster hub are heavy.

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What's the effect of having a second top tube?
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Originally Posted by noglider
What's the effect of having a second top tube?
It make people ask "why is there a second top tube ?".



Seriously... I believe the bike is a model 300 that has had the second tube added as it is not lugged as it would have been on a factory made utility bike... double top tubes were used to add strength to frames that would have seen harder use.

Even with the double tubes the frame only weighs 5 pounds which makes it quite a lightweight and having stripped it down to the frame was quite impressed the quality of the cleanliness of lug work and the brazing at the 2nd tube.

Back in those days CCM would have employed a lot of builders and it would seem that despite being a low cost bike in it's day that someone took pride in their workmanship.

CCM also made limited numbers of bikes in 1940 because of WW2 and wonder if the extra top tube may have been done at CCM's plant in order to fill a special order or mebbe someone built is their personal ride.

Guessing it will me a mystery I wil never solve...
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Here's another one with double top tubes

https://www.flickr.com/photos/amphalo...l-52375564@N00

Note that it has straps without clips, kind of like Power Grips.
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Originally Posted by Picchio Special
And what many people mean nowadays when they say path racer is really the hybrid (usable for track racing, training, club runs, etc.) properly called a "road/path." As AL NZ points out, Pashley has contributed to the confusion with their contemporary "path racer," which is really a "road path" bike. I did enjoy their L'Eroica" videos, though.
Is the term "scorcher" a name for an actual category of bike, and does it relate to path racers and road/path bikes? I've seen the term used before in reference to bikes that at least superficially look like road/path bikes. But, I've never been sure of the actual definition of a scorcher. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois
Here's another one with double top tubes

https://www.flickr.com/photos/amphalo...l-52375564@N00

Note that it has straps without clips, kind of like Power Grips.
It is bikes like this that inspired me to cobble together my own... my biggest challenge has been to find some worthy 1/2 inch road pedals.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver
Seriously... I believe the bike is a model 300 that has had the second tube added as it is not lugged as it would have been on a factory made utility bike... double top tubes were used to add strength to frames that would have seen harder use.
If it was added, that second tube was pulled off another CCM - the curvature is identical. Looks as if both tubes were run through the same exact bending jig.

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Old 02-09-10 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cudak888
If it was added, that second tube was pulled off another CCM - the curvature is identical. Looks as if both tubes were run through the same exact bending jig.

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Could be although they aren't exact... another thought that the bike may have been modded out at the factory and may have been done because of a shortage of the proper head lugs as we were in the middle of a war, materials were at a premium, and CCM's factories were being used to build vehicles.

I know that some bikes that were ordered in 1939 never arrived until 1942.

Remove that second tube and it is identical to the model 300, other CCM double bar utility bikes have different head lugs to accomodate the second tube and are brazed at the seatpost.

The shape of many CCM's utilitarian bikes did not change for decades... my '33 CCM Rambler looked just like a 60's Rambler save for some of the parts that were used.

These were CCM's bread and butter... every day bikes for the masses.

Even some of the kid's versions were just scaled down versions of adult bikes. I found a child's sized Rambler that has the same sharp bend in the top tube and same frame angles... thinking any little guy in the 1940's would have been pretty stoked to have a bike that looked just like dad's.
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I've seen plenty of two-top-tube bikes, but I had to ask, because I never received a good answer. But I take your word for it.

I grew up in New York City, home of Worksman bikes. You've probably read about them. They were ubiquitous while I was growing up, and they're still fairly common. Some have two top tubes. I guess the builders expect a few head-on collisions if they feel two top tubes are necessary. I think some Worksman bikes probably weigh more than 70 pounds. And some have solid tires.
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Tom - We have a Worksman trike here... it's a beast and when you tap the frame you get a thud instead of a ring.

But it will carry nearly 300 pounds.

Lighter tubed bikes need an extra one to add some strength... my Path bike curbs out at 30 pounds when it is set up with it's Perry coaster hub and 27's and loses a lot weight when it is run as a fixed gear.

In either form the bike is a blast to ride.
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I'd love to try it, but I don't see a visit to Edmonton in my foreseeable future.

If you're ever in this area, please stop by.
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Originally Posted by PDXaero
Here is a prime example, one of the higginson twins.

The beauty of the path racer is that in the 50s it was the do it all bike. People didn't own one track racer one commuter and one time trial bike, it was the path racer. That's why most all old path bikes are drilled for brakes and have long dropouts so you can clear mudgaurds. A serious track bike with fender eyelets, cool right. Back then fenders were needed on 25 mile time trials and brakes were needed for commuting and training.
Check in on the "show your holdsworth" page later today to see my 56 holdsworth path racer.
Folks look at my '55 Raleigh Lenton fixed gear and think it's a conversion since it does not have track dropouts but it is one of those bikes that was built as an all rounder that was used for everything from club rides to commuting to time trials.

It could have come with a close ratio igh as well but fixed gears were still the ride of choice for tt racing and I have managed to knock down a flat sub hour 40 on this bike which was a lightweight in it's day. It's original owner used it for this and I restored the fenders and rack to the bike since I use it for century rides.

25 miles in 57 minutes is damn impressive...the Higginson twins were beasts in their day and really dominated.

My old CCM has track ends as this was how many coaster equipped bikes were fitted and the hipsters think it some old track bike...
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check out these path racer enthusiasts from christchurch, NZ...

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they even provide a definition!
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Some excellent pictures in that blog!
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Some excellent pictures in that blog!
Even more great pics now!

These guys have done up a short wheelbase BSA racer, but it still has the lazy angles. Check out how the rear wheel fits into the seat tube.

Great work, fellow Kiwis...
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Even more great pics now!

These guys have done up a short wheelbase BSA racer, but it still has the lazy angles. Check out how the rear wheel fits into the seat tube.

Great work, fellow Kiwis...
I've seen the short wheelbase BSA before it was restored. It is very cool.
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I always refer to this as my path bike but it really is a road / path bike...when I actually find some decent half inch pedals that can run cages (that are not BMX pedals) I have a fixed wheel set for this bike I can also run.
Hey Sixty Fiver...I think your bike is a stock late 50's roadster. The angles got steeper...had the look of the 50's cars to me. Here's a 1959 CCM with the truss rods.
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