i did that but its only showing an x in a box see number 21 above it does have campy drop outs so i dont think its some cheap frame even though with that god awful rattle can paint job it looks like one. i can scrape off some of it with my finger nail and underneath it looks like the original color was orange

here you go... next time make sure you post the link to the actual picture, not just the album.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/v...nglert/010.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/v...nglert/011.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/v...nglert/003.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/v...nglert/002.jpg

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i can't say anything as to the actual frame, besides that it looks promising, but at least all the campy bits are worth what you paid for it.

hay andy, thanks alot for the help. im learning-takes me a while though:)

Odd seatlug. One heck of a big slot.

-Kurt

It's not a Masi, IMO. Details don't pan out (never seen that upper headlug on a Masi), or the workmanship generally (no reinforcements on either the chainstay or seatstay bridges, etc.). Also, if it was a Masi from the era the frame appears to be from, it would have a sizing stamp on the BB shell with a city code.

well, i did it again. got my hopes up. oh well at least it only cost 200.00 this time and i did get some good campy stuff. does anyone know what frame it is? is it worth restoring or should i just strip it and throw it out? anyone out there need a nuovo record group cheap??

Joe, get some wheels on it or at least tires and ride it. Just don't look down, and you might be surprised at the ride. Not a Masi.

I have seen that Bottom Bracket port configuration before, just been a while. My guess is it may not have Italian threading.

Once concern is that the seat post appears painted a bit, like the spray can job was just masked off there, frozen seat post? It is a Superleggere though.

For the price is still appears a good deal.

Absolutely, positively NOT a Masi. Repechage is correct, just get on the bike and ride it. Don't get hung up on the brand and the economics. Learn to discern what makes a bike great.

your right. i shouldnt let it bother me. the seatpost is frozen by the way-howd you know that? i know this appears really snotty and you guys can call me that but... i refuse to be seen on a rattle can paint job bike no matter what parts it may have on it. now if it was a masi i would have sent it out and been restored. does anyone know what brand the frame is?

Too bad Joe:(

Please post pics of the whole bike and let us try and figure out what you have. It is odd for sure. The head lug looks like it has been worked by hand but the BB is crude and the lack of reinforcements is puzzling.

Please post pics.

vjp

It works like this, the bike was repainted, the seatpost was masked off but the as the seat lug ears are far apart, paint shows between them... therefore, most probable that the seat post is stuck, at least beyond the ability or time involvement the painter wanted to invest. The headset and Bottom bracket don't show paint, so those were probably removed.

Read some Sherlok Holmes.

Unfortunately Wooljersey is down, or I would look to see if I could confirm my possible guesses as to make. As I said before, I think it does not have Italian threading. And while I could not tell from the image, the seat post is under 27.2 maybe.

From what I see its a rather nice frame. Nervex BB shell, Prugnaut lugs that have been reworked and cleaned up, window added to the lower head lug. No bridge reinforcements points to another European country on a frame with more than a pedestrian build.

thanks, your right it is a 27 seat post-french maybe? anyway ill put up some more pics so you can tell more about it. i dont think its worth a good paint job and decal set but ill wait and see what you gentleman have to say.
by the way thanks so much for the information on this bike. i really appreciate even though it wasnt what i was hoping for. joe

It's not Italian and it's painted ORANGE. Maybe it's a Dutch bike.

happy 4th everyone . i added some more pics to my thread of the rattle can paint non masi bike. i hope these will help id the bike. thanks againhttp://photobucket.com/englertps i deleted the old pics and added the new ones

I like it. It's no masterwork but it does look like a well thought out early 70's frame. As suggested earlier I would build it up and ride it. If it's a good one, support a bike painter and do something cool with it. If it was a 54-55cm I would buy it from you, but it looks like a 56-58cm?

The 60's Italian "mystery frame" I just restored turned out to be one of the sweetest riding bikes I've ever owned. I've never ridden a 60's Masi but from what I've read of their ride I think my bike would pretty damn close. I do not need a builder's name on it becuase I know whoever it was did a good job. On the flipside I own a pretty famous marque top-end late 50's bike that I think is a complete dog to ride. So it ain't always in the name.

All but one of the new photos above are showing as "moved or deleted" from Photobucket.

Yeah no good pictures:(. Please fix that because no matter what bike you have pics are good.

I wish Joe lived near here. I've got a couple of rare bikes I'd like to unload:D

ha ha ofg. i dont know whats up with those pics. i put them on photo bucket. ill try againhttp://photobucket.com/englert now that should show all 5 new pics of the bike-i hope. thanks otis, maybe ill try it. dont want to spend 500.00 restoration on a 200.00 bike though

http://photobucket.com/englert 007.jpghttp://007.jpg why dont i see any pics? i cant get the hang of this damn thing. i click on the yellow icon, put the photobucket address and everything but the pic doesnt show

eghad here:

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/v...nglert/007.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/v...nglert/013.jpg

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I'll take that off your hands for $200, no problem. And I definately agree with everyone else: so what if it's no Masi? It's something pretty dang good - there was time put into that frame. Maybe it doesn't posess every hallmark of a top frame (lack of reinforcements), but the rest of the work looks sound. Add to that all the NR gear that came with it? A steal, no doubt.

I'm like you in that I'd like to know what it was, sure. But don't think for a second you got screwed 'cause it's not a Masi. No way. This was a great buy.

BTW, first clue it couldn't be a 60s Masi: recessed brake mountings. Doh!

Seriously, you want to sell, you let me know. If I can't find out who made it, I'll make something up. I would be riding it anyway!

hay thanks for the help with the pics and, by the way, a friend of mine thinks it might be french because the seat post is a 27-little smaller than an italian. should i buy some cheap masi decals and put them on? just kidding. i still wonder what repecage thinks it might be. i dont have a clue. i used some gas on it to get rid of some of the rattle can paint just to see if it had a part of a decal but no luck. ps what is with those four small indentations on the fork crown? is that some sort of way to fasten it on the fork?

I don't think 27.0 is an indication of a French bike, at least not by itself. Tony Oliver, the Welsh custom builder wrote that many of his bikes using Reynolds seat tubes take that diameter. In your case, it's not even clear (due to the stuckness) that 27.0 is even the correct size.

The BB threading, if you can read it off the Campy cups, would be an important piece of the puzzle. This is like intelligence analysis as done by spymasters - assemble all the available information and attempt to draw teh best possible conclusion. So far, too many puzzle pieces are missing. For you to measure the geometry, at least ST c-c, TT, chainstay, and wheelbase, would help. If you can get head tube and seat tube angles, that also would be great. Look inside the BB. Are the DT, ST, and chainstays pinned? Are they mitered well? These are all hints. If they aren't mitered well, this could just be somebody's "training frame."

I don't spend much of my own time on bikes I don't like, so I try to get a ridable build as soon as I have time. If I like it, I think about what if anything I want to do for refinement. Get it ridable and see if you like it. Carefully try to get that seat pin out. If the seat lug is expanded or distorted, you might just have a gruppo there. You need a Campy seat post binder bolt, it looks like.

It's clearly not a bad build. It seems it might not be a great build, at least if the lack of reinforcements at the chainstay and seatstay bridges is significant. I'm not sure that it is too important.