Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Simplex derailure adjustment: how to?

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Simplex derailure adjustment: how to?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-22-09 | 09:33 PM
  #1  
mr,grumpy's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 50
From: Boston Burbs

Bikes: 1978(ish) Peugeot PRN10e, Specialized Tricross

Simplex derailure adjustment: how to?

Yes, I know, throw it out. No way. the bike is 95% original and I hope to get it 100% some day. I am having trouble shifting onto the small chain ring and need to adjust the rear too. Can't find any picto-instructions on the web. Thought I'd ask y'all.
__________________
"I'm built like a marine mammal. I love the cold! "-Cosmoline
"MTBing is cheap compared to any motorsport I've done. It's very expensive compared to jogging."-ColinL
Rides:

2023 Salsa Journeyer
2023 Rad Rover 6
1980ish Raleigh Marathon (Vintage Steel)
2006 Trek 820 (Captain Amazing) RIP
2010 Specialized Tricross (Back in Black)
2008 Specialized Roubaix RIP

Last edited by mr,grumpy; 07-23-09 at 04:25 AM.
mr,grumpy is offline  
Reply
Old 07-22-09 | 09:52 PM
  #2  
CV-6's Avatar
If I own it, I ride it
Titanium Club Membership
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,685
Likes: 821
From: Cardinal Country

Bikes: Lejeune(14), Raleigh, Raysport, Jan De Reus, Gazelle, Masi, B. Carré(4), Springfield, Greg Lemond, Andre Bertin, Schwinn Paramount

Which model?
__________________
Please do not "like" my posts. This isn't Facebook.

Lynn Travers

Photos

CV-6 is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 04:39 AM
  #3  
mr,grumpy's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 50
From: Boston Burbs

Bikes: 1978(ish) Peugeot PRN10e, Specialized Tricross

Originally Posted by CV-6
Which model?
Dunno.
These ones:

__________________
"I'm built like a marine mammal. I love the cold! "-Cosmoline
"MTBing is cheap compared to any motorsport I've done. It's very expensive compared to jogging."-ColinL
Rides:

2023 Salsa Journeyer
2023 Rad Rover 6
1980ish Raleigh Marathon (Vintage Steel)
2006 Trek 820 (Captain Amazing) RIP
2010 Specialized Tricross (Back in Black)
2008 Specialized Roubaix RIP
mr,grumpy is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 09:35 AM
  #4  
JohnDThompson's Avatar
Old fart
Titanium Club Membership
20 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 26,402
Likes: 5,333
From: Appleton WI

Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.

Originally Posted by mr,grumpy
Dunno.
These ones:

Ah. Prestige.

You sure you don't want to throw them out?
JohnDThompson is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 01:00 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,652
Likes: 109
It won't be a problem if he rides the bike as they will break in a very short time anyway. Roger
rhenning is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 01:30 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 115
Likes: 1
You could pay a visit to Harris cyclery to see if one of their wrenches can show you some of what it takes to adjust the old Simplex's. In the day, Prestige's did give acceptable performance when new but also wore out rather quickly. Good Luck!
bleukahuna is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 01:42 PM
  #7  
Grand Bois's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 17,392
Likes: 40
From: Pinole, CA, USA
The rear is adjusted like any other RD, but the FD is rather unique. I could show you, but describing how to do it is not so easy.
Grand Bois is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 02:33 PM
  #8  
John E's Avatar
feros ferio
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 22,411
Likes: 1,876
From: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us

Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;

The front is easy to adjust:

1) Set the height so that the cage clears the large chainring by 1mm.
2) Put the bike in first gear, making sure the front shift cable is slack.
3) Loosen the set screw on the cage and adjust the lateral position of the front derailleur cage so that its inside edge clears the chain by a couple of mm. Adjust its rotation so that the cage roughly follows the profile of the outer chainring.
4) Now shift into the highest gear and adjust the front derailleur's limit screw so that the cage's outer edge clears the chain by a couple of mm.

The rules are pretty much the same for the Campagnolo Gran Sport and Valentino.
4)
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
John E is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 02:52 PM
  #9  
TejanoTrackie's Avatar
Veteran Racer
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,862
Likes: 918
From: Ciudad de Vacas, Tejas

Bikes: 34 frames + 80 wheels

I had a set of those old Simplex plastic derailleurs on my mid 1960's Peugeot UO8. The rear worked pretty well, but the front was absolutely terrible. The front cage moves straight in and out horizontally and does not move down to properly guide the chain on and off the small inner chainring. As a result, I was constantly dropping the chain when shifting down to the small chainring and it took enormous effort to get it to shift back up to the large outer chainring. Eventually the plastic housing broke, and I replaced it with a Suntour that worked much better.
TejanoTrackie is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 04:57 PM
  #10  
Grand Bois's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 17,392
Likes: 40
From: Pinole, CA, USA
I think that the earlier Peugeots had a smaller small chainring and that type of FD doesn't handle those well. They work fine if there's not too much difference.

None of my Simplex FD's of that type allow the rotational adjustment that John mentions. The flat spot in the rod that the set screw runs up againt sets the angle. Also, I push the shifter all the way forward and remove any excess slack from the cable before doing any adjustments

Your rear derailer is not the common Prestige, but the Criterium model. I still have the original from my '74 PX10 and it would still work if I gave it some new pulleys. The front is a Prestige.
Grand Bois is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 05:12 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768
Likes: 10

Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon

On the front, tighten the clamp until the plastic breaks, then replace with something that works...

The rears seem to keep working until the jockey wheels are worn round...
dbakl is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 05:55 PM
  #12  
TejanoTrackie's Avatar
Veteran Racer
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,862
Likes: 918
From: Ciudad de Vacas, Tejas

Bikes: 34 frames + 80 wheels

Originally Posted by Dirtdrop
I think that the earlier Peugeots had a smaller small chainring and that type of FD doesn't handle those well. They work fine if there's not too much difference.
You've got a good point there. My Peugeot UO8 had a steel cottered crank, and if I remember correctly the chainrings were 52-36, which is a 16 tooth difference. From the photo in this thread, it looks like the crank is some sort of Stronglight aluminum cotterless model, and the difference is much less, so maybe it'll work OK.
TejanoTrackie is offline  
Reply
Old 07-23-09 | 05:59 PM
  #13  
Grand Bois's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 17,392
Likes: 40
From: Pinole, CA, USA
You can get Bullseye pulleys on eBay for $18 a pair or two sets for $31. Put on some black or dark gray ones and it will look original but you won't have to worry about your pulleys disintegrating. I just put them on a Super LJ and an SX610 just for peace of mind.

Looks like a 49D.
Grand Bois is offline  
Reply
Old 07-24-09 | 04:32 PM
  #14  
mr,grumpy's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 50
From: Boston Burbs

Bikes: 1978(ish) Peugeot PRN10e, Specialized Tricross

Ok. I quit. What products are compatible with this bike?
__________________
"I'm built like a marine mammal. I love the cold! "-Cosmoline
"MTBing is cheap compared to any motorsport I've done. It's very expensive compared to jogging."-ColinL
Rides:

2023 Salsa Journeyer
2023 Rad Rover 6
1980ish Raleigh Marathon (Vintage Steel)
2006 Trek 820 (Captain Amazing) RIP
2010 Specialized Tricross (Back in Black)
2008 Specialized Roubaix RIP
mr,grumpy is offline  
Reply
Old 07-24-09 | 05:41 PM
  #15  
John E's Avatar
feros ferio
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 22,411
Likes: 1,876
From: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us

Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;

Originally Posted by mr,grumpy
Ok. I quit. What products are compatible with this bike?
You can substitute almost any older bottom-pull clamp-mounted front derailleur, although a few may require a thin shim for your 28.0mm seat tube's outer diameter. (The rest of the world used 28.6mm.) If your new front derailleur lacks a cable housing stop, just thread the housing under the bottom bracket shell and leave the end nearest the derailleur "floating." Great choices for your Peugeot are SunTour and Shimano -- I have a Shimano Titlist on my UO-8, and I had a 600 on my PKN-10. That original Simplex front derailleur is indeed cr@p. (I shouldn't talk, since I have its Campagnolo Gran Sport equivalent on Capo #2, but at least the Campagnolo's cage moves slightly upward as it moves outward, so that it tracks half-step gearing very nicely.)
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
John E is offline  
Reply
Old 07-24-09 | 05:43 PM
  #16  
John E's Avatar
feros ferio
25 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 22,411
Likes: 1,876
From: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us

Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;

Originally Posted by Dirtdrop
...
None of my Simplex FD's of that type allow the rotational adjustment that John mentions. The flat spot in the rod that the set screw runs up againt sets the angle. Also, I push the shifter all the way forward and remove any excess slack from the cable before doing any adjustments
I had forgotten about that flat spot, which shows how long it has been since I have had to deal with one of the fool things. I also neglected to mention loosening the clamp and twisting the unit around the seat tube as needed to put the cage parallel to the chainrings. Sometimes a very minute amount of inward bending of the inside cage face's forward tab will improve upshifts, but an excessive amount of bending will catch the chain prematurely and make things worse.

Originally Posted by Dirtdrop
Your rear derailer is not the common Prestige, but the Criterium model. ...
True.
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
John E is offline  
Reply
Old 07-24-09 | 06:04 PM
  #17  
Grand Bois's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 17,392
Likes: 40
From: Pinole, CA, USA
Originally Posted by mr,grumpy
Ok. I quit. What products are compatible with this bike?
My favorite FD for French bikes that need a stop is the Simplex SJA 102.



My favorite RD that fits a Simplex hanger without modification is the SLJ 6500.



The SX610 has the same geometry as the SLJ above and shifts just as well, but weighs 35-40 grams more. You can find them for much less money than the SLJ's, which are becoming horribly expensive.



If you want to use a non-Simplex RD, you have to butcher the hanger .



It doesn't show with the RD installed.



The catalog says that your bike originally had an SX410.

Last edited by Grand Bois; 07-24-09 at 06:24 PM.
Grand Bois is offline  
Reply
Old 07-24-09 | 10:13 PM
  #18  
TejanoTrackie's Avatar
Veteran Racer
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,862
Likes: 918
From: Ciudad de Vacas, Tejas

Bikes: 34 frames + 80 wheels

Originally Posted by Dirtdrop
That derailleur fascinates me. It looks like you grafted the cage from a Campagnolo Rally onto a Nuovo Record body.
TejanoTrackie is offline  
Reply
Old 07-25-09 | 12:49 PM
  #19  
mr,grumpy's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 50
From: Boston Burbs

Bikes: 1978(ish) Peugeot PRN10e, Specialized Tricross

I broke down and ordered this last night:


https://yhst-84224226242177.stores.ya...si102frde.html
__________________
"I'm built like a marine mammal. I love the cold! "-Cosmoline
"MTBing is cheap compared to any motorsport I've done. It's very expensive compared to jogging."-ColinL
Rides:

2023 Salsa Journeyer
2023 Rad Rover 6
1980ish Raleigh Marathon (Vintage Steel)
2006 Trek 820 (Captain Amazing) RIP
2010 Specialized Tricross (Back in Black)
2008 Specialized Roubaix RIP
mr,grumpy is offline  
Reply
Old 07-25-09 | 01:16 PM
  #20  
TejanoTrackie's Avatar
Veteran Racer
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,862
Likes: 918
From: Ciudad de Vacas, Tejas

Bikes: 34 frames + 80 wheels

Originally Posted by mr,grumpy
I broke down and ordered this last night:


https://yhst-84224226242177.stores.ya...si102frde.html
Excellent choice! It will work much better because it not only moves in and out but also up and down, and is much easier to adjust. It will last a lot longer beacuse it has no plastic parts. And it maintains the brand consistency.
TejanoTrackie is offline  
Reply
Old 07-25-09 | 08:55 PM
  #21  
Grand Bois's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 17,392
Likes: 40
From: Pinole, CA, USA
Now you just need this:

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=200363122230
Grand Bois is offline  
Reply
Old 07-25-09 | 09:14 PM
  #22  
JohnDThompson's Avatar
Old fart
Titanium Club Membership
20 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 26,402
Likes: 5,333
From: Appleton WI

Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.

Originally Posted by mr,grumpy
I broke down and ordered this last night:


https://yhst-84224226242177.stores.ya...si102frde.html


Good choice! I have a couple of those, and they work great!
JohnDThompson is offline  
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.