The Ron Cooper Thread
#176
Veteran Racer


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From: Ciudad de Vacas, Tejas
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I've posted my Cooper here several times in the past, but I've made some changes so here are some more photos:








#178
Crawlin' up, flyin' down


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From: Democratic Peoples' Republic of Berkeley
Bikes: 1967 Paramount; 1982-ish Ron Cooper; 1978 Eisentraut "A"; two mid-1960s Cinelli Speciale Corsas; and others in various stages of non-rideability.
Got a free Cooper frame set, now what do I do? It has 939 stamped on the BB.



I currently ride a commuter with an IGH. I've ridden derailleur bikes but never worked on one. I'd like to get this one going but don't really know where to start.
My budget is $500. Do I get original parts? Modern parts? Can I get a road bike off of CL and swap it out? Any suggestions welcome.
I currently ride a commuter with an IGH. I've ridden derailleur bikes but never worked on one. I'd like to get this one going but don't really know where to start.
My budget is $500. Do I get original parts? Modern parts? Can I get a road bike off of CL and swap it out? Any suggestions welcome.
With a $500 budget, you should be able to find a decent bike on CL or eBay and swap the parts over. Just make sure what you get has Engligh threads (any decent English bike will do, as will almost - note I said "almost" - all American and Japanese bikes). Italian bikes will likely have a different bottom bracket threading, but most everything else should work. French anbd Swiss bikes - just don't. None of their threads will match. I don't know about Dutch or Belgian bikes.
Since you should be able to sell the frame and fork of the steed you buy (depending on the frame, it could be from $100 to $1,000 or more), your actual purchase budget can over your $500 target and make it up on the sale of the frame. Doing it this way also means you do not have to worry at all about frame size of the donor bike you buy. I'd suggest reading heavily in the C&V "What's it Worth" forum here on BF. Also look at the "sold" bikes on eBay. These will give you about as good a background in what you should be paying for whatever donor bikes you indentify.
Your Ron Cooper is definitely worth the effort. He was one of the absolute top-drawer frame builders. You have a gem in the making there.
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#179
Johnnyboy1,
My Ron Cooper is stamped '902' on the BB. The PO is also the original owner. He met with Mr. Cooper in the San Francisco bay area and had the frame built for him - he says in 1980. However, the NR derailleur is dated 1982. So I'm not so sure. I wonder how you date your frame to the early 1980's?
Not that it matters. The frame is so beautifully crafted it is a joy just to examine. Even better is the ride, wonderfully compliant, intuitively responsive, and rock solid in all ways. What a fortunate acquistion you have made! I know budget is always a consideration. I hope you are able to furnish it with the quality wheels and components it deserves. Please post pics of your build.
My Ron Cooper is stamped '902' on the BB. The PO is also the original owner. He met with Mr. Cooper in the San Francisco bay area and had the frame built for him - he says in 1980. However, the NR derailleur is dated 1982. So I'm not so sure. I wonder how you date your frame to the early 1980's?
Not that it matters. The frame is so beautifully crafted it is a joy just to examine. Even better is the ride, wonderfully compliant, intuitively responsive, and rock solid in all ways. What a fortunate acquistion you have made! I know budget is always a consideration. I hope you are able to furnish it with the quality wheels and components it deserves. Please post pics of your build.
Last edited by JTTDF; 02-23-14 at 11:52 PM.
#180
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Joined: Aug 2009
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From: Dallas, Texas, USA
My post dated 6/7/10 (american style) talks about dating FYI. Others around that same time do too. Mine is #842 and definitely built in Spring 1982 (see photos posted on page 1 of this thread). I was living not far from his shop and had mine made. If in fact he averaged around 200-250 frames per year or so that would put yours in the 1982 category. If it has braze-on top tube cable guides then this would be even more conclusive.
#181
My post dated 6/7/10 (american style) talks about dating FYI. Others around that same time do too. Mine is #842 and definitely built in Spring 1982 (see photos posted on page 1 of this thread). I was living not far from his shop and had mine made. If in fact he averaged around 200-250 frames per year or so that would put yours in the 1982 category. If it has braze-on top tube cable guides then this would be even more conclusive.
Last edited by JTTDF; 02-24-14 at 01:16 PM.
#184
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Joined: Feb 2010
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From: London
Bikes: Pub bike, Ti road bike, Ron Cooper
#185
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Joined: Feb 2013
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From: south of France
Bikes: MBK mirage,PEUGEOT PSN10,PEUGEOT competition 7000,LA PERLE course, PEUGEOT pulse,L.AIMAR course
In june, I have seen this beautiful COOPER at the AVV (Anjou Velo Vintage) in Saumur France ...a perfect beauty !
#188
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 8
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From: London
Bikes: Pub bike, Ti road bike, Ron Cooper
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5780985847/
Pete
#189
For those on Facebook, Martin Cooper maintains a Ron Cooper Owners Club group. There are more pics of many Coopers there, including mine.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5780985847/
Pete
Thanks, Pete. I just joined and posted mine up over there. Paul
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5780985847/
Pete
Thanks, Pete. I just joined and posted mine up over there. Paul
#191
1/2 as far in 2x the time


Joined: Nov 2013
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From: Northern Bergen County, NJ
Bikes: Yes, Please.
My old (74) Ron Cooper soon to be rideable.
It took me a year to finally (almost) finish this project. It has taken me so long to do this that I want to post a photo, to prove to myself that it really is going to happen. I have interim pics someplace, but not on this phone.
Regards, Ëric
Regards, Ëric
#193
1/2 as far in 2x the time


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From: Northern Bergen County, NJ
Bikes: Yes, Please.
My old (74) Ron Cooper soon to be rideable, (I know, I said that MONTHS ago) z l0, x
Thanks for the encouragement. I am the painter. The color is as close as I could find in a rattle can. I am very pleased, though I think it might have more blue than the original. I repainted it red in '76 after repairing it. (Went flying over the bars at the back of a big crash.) So I have not seen the proper color in 38 years...
I had to strip the forks AGAIN. Just coming back to it now. I have gone vintage bike crazy... Bought an early gios in rough shape, and a funny bike frame in perfect shape, that have kept me away from the Cooper (and my unresolved issues that it represents). But I'm back on track as of today. Priming forks (again) today.
#195
Is this the place and the other frame?
A Bicycle Odyssey
A Bicycle Odyssey
#196
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Joined: Aug 2014
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From: Ridgefield, CT
Bikes: 1988 Chas Roberts, 1988 Paramount, 1999 Bates BAR, 1973 Charles Roberts, 1976 Glen Erickson, 1986 Bill Davidson, 1986 John Hollands, 1992 Land Shark, 1992 Della Santa, 1969 Legnano Gran Premio, 1997 mark Nobilette
I up load a picture tomorrow, but I own a Bates BAR (Best All Rounder) made by Ron Cooper in 1999. The frame is 1 of 100 he made under agreement with the Bates family to continue to produce the BAR frames to company specifications, including souring the Reynolds 531 proprietary tubing and the unique front fork. Ron passed in 2012.
I understand Bates decals are available. You can find out more on Classsic lightweights UK website as to how to find them. Jeff
I understand Bates decals are available. You can find out more on Classsic lightweights UK website as to how to find them. Jeff
#198
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From: Ciudad de Vacas, Tejas
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Very sad to hear this. My Ron Cooper is one of my favorite vintage frames, and rides like a dream. I will be posting an update in a couple of days.
#199
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Updated my Ron Cooper with a rear wheel change to match the front one. Both wheels are now Campy Nuovo Record low flange 36 hole hubs laced 3X with DT Swiss 15 gage SS spokes to Ambrosio Montreal Medaille D'Or tubular rims. The tires are Veloflex tubular with a 25mm Roubaix in the rear and a 23mm Carbon in the front. The rear wheel was spaced for 126mm dropouts and I had to cut the rear axle, respace and recenter to fit in the Cooper's 120mm spacing. The bike now weighs 20.6 pounds, minus the Zefal frame pump. The ride with this wheel and tire setup is fantastic. 















