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Old 08-07-09, 03:47 PM
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I can't take apart this Suntour derailleur!

I'm trying to replace one of the pulleys (Suntour Cyclone MII) but no one knows how to undo the screws. This is what I have:
https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/...283500%29.html

This is what it looks like:



What's been tried:
Screwdriver
Needle nose pliers
Need tip clamp

I'm disappointed that I may have to replace this derailleur but I hope someone can help me out.
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I had that exact same problem once. I couldn't figure it out and scrapped the derailer. Wish I could be more help.
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I think that the round, recessed part with the notches is a nut that holds the pulley axle to the cage. Looks like you need to use a straight screwdriver on the slotted bolt and a small screwdriver in one of the notches on the nut.

Have you tried that?
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Try a smallish needle nose pliers with an end in each slot.

edit: oops you tried that? and it didn't work? bugger.
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Maybe this diagram of an earlier model will help.

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Originally Posted by digitalbicycle
I had that exact same problem once. I couldn't figure it out and scrapped the derailer. Wish I could be more help.
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Maybe this diagram of an earlier model will help.
Actually it did. Not so much the diagram but the "kingsbridge" locknut screw. I don't have one of those and they probably don't exist anymore. I guess the dérailleur will make a nice showpiece.

Can anyone recommend me a nice derailleur similar to the Cyclone MII (light and shiny) for cheap?
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Suntour made a special T-tool to undo the nut shown in your second photo. I've got one but they were rare.
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Originally Posted by LWaB
Suntour made a special T-tool to undo the nut shown in your second photo. I've got one but they were rare.
Yep, I figured there was some kind of proprietary gizmo that did it. If you feel like posting a pic I'm curious to see one.
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Originally Posted by digitalbicycle
Yep, I figured there was some kind of proprietary gizmo that did it. If you feel like posting a pic I'm curious to see one.
Hard to get the detail of the notches.
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I remember doing one once with a really good snap-ring pliers (with right angle tips), they can take more torque than a needle-nose (and you'll risk ruining the joint of a good pair of needle-nose pliers, so don't force it). The thing you need is good quality snap-ring (or circlip) pliers with hard tips, those little nuts are on tight!
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Couldn't you make a tool functionaly similar out of an old flat blade screwdriver and a Dremel tool cutoff disk or small grinding wheel?
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Couldn't you make a tool functionaly similar out of an old flat blade screwdriver and a Dremel tool cutoff disk or small grinding wheel?
it wouldn't give you nearly the same leverage, but perhaps you could make it from a 10mm hollow axle and drill a hole through the axle for the handle or sandwich a flat bar with a hole in it between some locked nuts (4 nuts total?)...
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Originally Posted by bikemore
Hard to get the detail of the notches.
Is that an aftermarket tool? All the Suntour GT tools I've seen are chromed and have 5 mm Allen keys on the ends of the T.
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Kingsbridge was the company and they made some pretty nice tools, I still have a few. SunTour would have had their own.
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Originally Posted by LWaB
Suntour made a special T-tool to undo the nut shown in your second photo. I've got one but they were rare.
If you can't find that specific tool, this website has a tool that will also take a Sun Tour apart in a hurry:

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Originally Posted by LWaB
Is that an aftermarket tool? All the Suntour GT tools I've seen are chromed and have 5 mm Allen keys on the ends of the T.
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Kingsbridge was the company and they made some pretty nice tools, I still have a few. SunTour would have had their own.
Huh, I always assumed it was Suntour. It certainly was designed for the the task the OP was asking about.
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