I'm selling a NOS pair of C-Record pedals on Ebay and I'd like to be sure I have them correctly described. They are odd in that they're supplied with a double wide set of toe clips and the last set I sold, the buyer told me that these were from the track gruppo. The Campagnolo box has description check-boxes that read: 'Filetto' with 'I' inscribed by inventory personnal and another box that reads 'Fermapiedi' with a 'G' written to it by inventory people.

Photos here:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...STRK:MESELX:IT

I wouldn't know how to identify them if they were - but I'm not sure those are track specific. They look just like the Victory pedals (at least I've always assumed they were Victory at least since everything else on the bike is) that came on my Guerciotti/Alen. Same straps too.

Lovely though just the same........

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They are absolutely from the C-Record gruppo, of this I'm positive (and know the differences very well). The standard road pedals were supplied with white w/blue Campagnolo script leather straps and these straps are obviously different, featuring the internal steel mesh and the double wide strap tab plate. Campagnolos description of the pista group of 1986 makes mention of the steel mesh in the straps, hence my going with the description I did.

Turns out that Velobase has become more comprehensive since my last visit and the Campagnolo catalogue range has filled out very nicely (The best cycling resource there is Jon!). My research proves these to be 1986-1987 C-Record track pedals (The pedals are from the '86 range with straps from the '87 range). Proof from the '86 catalog here:

C-Record used the same pedals for road and track.

Only in the 1986 model year. By 1987 they'ld gone to a three tiered pedal system with the the shoe shaped pedals becoming road gruppo only, as mine are, for riders who use the balls of their feet, the 'Ergonomic' dual bearing C130 pedals in both road and track/Keiren gruppos and the 'Triple bearing system' pedal in their track group. All of this via catalogues posted on Velobase.

The pedals I have were track gruppo for 1986 only, along with the '86 only prototype Delta's.

Filetto = threading therefore "I" means Italian thread
Fermapiedi = Toe clips therefore "G" means grande or large size

I have the original 1986 Italian version catalog and the pedals that you are offering are identified in the road section, not in the track section. The toe clips would also not be adapted to track use as they are neither stiff enough and do not allow a double strap as was then popular. They are road pedals. Furthermore if you check out the Ruote Fluidodinamiche catalog of 1986, you will also see that your pedals are shown on a road time trial bike, whereas teh other model is shown being used by the track team time trial riders. Lastly, I used to own one of the blue track bikes used for testing by Campagnolo (and visible in the catalog mentioned) and it had the other model pedal fitted to it.

Filetto = threading therefore "I" means Italian thread
Fermapiedi = Toe clips therefore "G" means grande or large size


BTW: If anybody needs them, I have a few extra sets of the rear plates for these pedals should yours be worn down.

I disagree. The photo I posted is from the Campagnolo catalog posted on Velobase as the 1986 catalog.

Your catalog series would've had to have been post 1986, as there was only one version of the C-Record pedal shape in the 1986 US catalog on Velobase. The only explanation I can see working is that the '86 catalog on Velobase may possibly be an 84/85 catalog and not an '86. I do remember that 'late 84 was the intro date of C-Record to the world and were this catalog on Velobase actually circa '85, that would explain the discrepancies. In either event, these are track pedals as evidenced by the straps with the metal mesh layering (The box makes no mention of road or track, reading only 'Serie Pedali')

The 'Ergonomic' dual bearing pedal is called the C-130 and, having sold a set of those earlier this year, I did a good bit of research on them and they are only found in the '87 model year US catalogs.

In the 18bis catalogue these pedals are included in both the track and road groups; there was no other C-Record pedal listed that year so it had to be for use on road and and track. By 1987 there were two C-Record pedals - the ones you have listed are shown for road use whilst the ones with the two plates are shown for either road or track. Both types are supplied with the toestraps with metal insert.

Oh, didn't mean to say yours are Victory, I just meant that the Victory road pedals were of the same basic design. Mine came with the double-wide strap tab plate. Dunno about the steel mesh - I never examined the straps quite that closely. Probably not - they got pretty ratty and I never noticed anything weird about them.

The 1985/6 18 bis catalogue lists these pedals for road and track - I have found no mention in it of the metal insert toestraps.






The early 1987 Record catalogue mentions the metal insert straps and continues to say they are supplied with all the patterns of C-Record pedals:







I cannot find any evidence that these pedals were 'Track' pedals; in fact the very contrary as soon the other types of C-Record pedals are introduced these new designs rather than the original platform C-Records are shown with the Pista groups. Campag makes a great point of explaining that the platform type are for those who pedal with their toes and that the new pedals are for those who pedal properly all the way around...

So we can post stupid questions here now to get more traffic on our ebay auctions? Sweet!

In looking for evidence of the year of manufacture on or within the box, I can only come up with reference to a few things, none conclusive:

The controllo numbers on the parts bag and the base of the cardboard insert are (Parts bag):786 01 13 and plate: 776 02 13. These seem to follow '86 convention.

The order number for Campagnolo cone wrench mentioned in the instruction pamphlet is 7130023. The pedal mounting tool is written as order number 713. The replacement number for the pamphlet itself is 7225023. This seems to follow the '87 convention.

I do, it seems, have to lessen the claim that these are 100% 'Track Specific', though I still insist that the metal insert toe straps assert Campagnolo's intention that these be employed as track pedals, because they were interchangeably purposed between road and track in their year of manufacture, 1986.

Thanks to Cityone Du Monde for his insights and help and to Hillary Stone for his help as well. Interesting stuff.

Let's set a few points straight. The first general catalog to carry the C-Record gruppo was 18bis which was sent to the printers in December 1986. There is no mistaking this as the gruppo is nowhere to be found in catalog 18 from 1984, and 18bis was the next general catalog published. BTW, if you check the back cover of 18bis, you will see the date marking 12/1986, i.e. December 1986. Prior to catalog 18bis, there were however a series of mini-catalogs dated November 1986 sent out prior to 18bis. Before that there is the first price list to carry mention of "Record" components, this came out in April 1986. Before that, to the best of my knowledge, there were launch photos but no official catalog for "Record" components. The November 1986 Record gruppo catalog Pista page is shown below: see that the ebay pedals are not shown at all.

BTW, you can see the date that the collection of all catalogs was sent out from the date stamp on the Campagnolo envelope and the reception date handwritten on the envelope. Hilary is furthermore correct in all his comments.

Keeping the record straight is in fact, I agree, important. The photo illustrations that, first I and then, Hillary Stone posted are from the catalog marked '18bis'. The photos you've posted (and which HS posted below the 18 bis photo, would've correctly been post marked in Dec '86) are from the '87 model year catalog and is identified as such on the Velobase site.

Again, thanks for your help. I appreciate it. Pointedly though, I'd like to leave the points we do disagree upon with fair consideration to what is, and is not, historically proveable.

I would hardly call it a stupid question when one wants to make sure they've id'ed something
correctly. If you note there is nothing here about sales other than a link to an auction, all
the discussion is about the 1st gen pedals.

Marty

There was a similar Chorus pedal as well. I have both teh C-record and the Chorus, and am continually amazed at the beauty of the C-record. I don't track, so IMO it's a road pedal. Many similar pedals of the day with a wider base were termed touring pedals, and other narrower ones (Shimano 105 and the 6207 600 pedal) were termed track pedals. I think the basic difference is provision for better lean clearance while pedaling. All of these were able to accept hard-cleated shoes.

My pedal sets both were packed with white/blue letter Campy straps without internal mesh stiffeners.

The photos I posted were distributed PRIOR to 18bis. They were prepared in a rush because of the difficulties with the first delta brakes. They also show both pedal designs, of which only one is specifically designated as a track pedal. Did you also go to check the "ruote Fluidodinamiche" catalog that I mentioned earlier? In it, also printed and distributed prior to 18 bis, the ebay pedals are used exclusively on road bikes and the other pedals are used exclusively on track bikes, so there can be no mistaking how Campagnolo envisioned their use.

PLEASE note that in the 1986 18 bis catalog , the Corsa Record group was catalogued as having my 'Ebay' pedals, as purposed for quote Road/"Corsa and Track", as evidenced via this photo, earlier posted by Hillary Stone and I:



You say that there are earlier printed catalogs that refute this, please post links or evidence of this. I cannot research what is not available to me. The copy of 18bis posted to Velobase shows a 'printed' date of 12/86, as you'd said earlier. The photo you've referenced as having been dated earlier, however, is from the '87 'Record intro' catalog and is back cover dated November '87, as I keep insisting.

Please also note that I thank you for your help with my query and your great contributions to all things BFCV specific. You are a great and reliable resource. With that said, you have, twice taken a tone with me that is/was unwarranted. I do still disagree with a few points you've insisted upon and posted good reasons for that. I am not questioning whether you know of which you speak, I am asking you to prove your deduction.

In looking over your posts more carefully, I do believe I'm better understanding the disconnect here.

You have posted photos of Italian catalogs, printed in November '86 and unavailable on Velobase, that are from your personal collection?

If that's so then I apologize for my steadfastedness. I've tried to change the title of my Ebay auction to reflect the description from the 18bis catalog but cannot, because Ebay has a 'written in stone' thing about the title text once a bids been placed.

Precisely! If you look at the first photos that I posted you will even see the Campagnolo envelope that the catlogs were sent out in, with postmark and all, as well as the description of the envelope contents (I picked this up from an Italian mechanic who was a close personal friend of Tullio Campagnolo who kept every single piece of documentation imaginable and dated every single piece individually.) You should also realize that there are errors in every Campagnolo catalog that I have ever seen, so I would not rely on them all too heavily. They give good guidance but are not guarantees. For example the delta brake calipers that appear in 18bis were never sold after the publication of the catalog. The same thing with Velobase; it is an invaluable aid but should not be taken as gospel as much is incomplete or mis-categorized. The ebay pedals are super cool and will reach a good price.

UPDATE!
Hilary has found another "edition" of 18bis that has a date on it of December 1985. Apparently, it is identical in every way to 18bis dated December 1986 that I have in my possession and is also posted on velobase (apart from the date printed on the back page of the catalog). This would indeed make sense and explain many questions that remain outstanding, such as:
1) why would they in December 1986 print a catalog that depicts the delta brake calipers that were already discontinued at the time?
2) why would there be an official price list that took effect as of May 2, 1986 that already includes all the C-Record components, except for the delta brakes (there were only the cobalto brakes included in this price list) but there was no product catalog?
3) why would the November 1986 documents depict the inked logos whereas the 18bis still have the inscribed parts?

This does not however change the substance relating to the pedals discussed here. The platform pedals, which were originally the only model of C-Record pedal offered for both track and road, were quickly seen as being inappropriate for track use. From personal use, I can point out that the toe clips were notoriously suspect, the pedal angle in curves was somewhat reduced and there was no possibility to double strap them. All of these aspects were resolved with the second version with more traditional lay-out and replaceable front and rear plates and narrower pedal width.