But you dont hvae the Mavic 8 sp. Chain!
from what I gather, almost no one does.
Still thats a great set to find NOS.

yes yes .
ok your right , i dont have the chain .
but one cant have it all .
or maybe one can
Cheers
/T

A Mavic 27.2 seatpost sold on eBay last week with a Buy it Now for $75. I should have bought it...but I didn't like the price for a short post.

It wasn't the 350mm Mavic post but the 200something. Therefore I could only have used it on my Mavicish BOBish touring bike, not on my 'tout Mavic' road bike build. There really was no good reason to have a Mavic post on my touring bike. It already has a perfectly good American Classic post, and I have a titanium American Classic back up post. I didn't need to go three deep on the seatpost roster for a bike that I couldn't use the seatposts on any others I have.

The touring BOBish bike ('86 Cannondale ST800) is 7cm larger than the 'tout Mavic' road bike. So I definitely needed a 350mm for the All Mavic build. I don't think I'll ever find a Cannondale road frame bigger than 66cm so I need the long post. Though a couple exist (either customs or whatever). I saw a 68cm get snatched up really quick on the Serotta forum.

Now hold on here.

Who said that a 'tout Mavic' build had to be completely vintage. What would happen if you used a current product Mavic 10speed M10 chain? Is it just too narrow to work with the 8sp SSC rings, cassette, and pulleys?

Okay we all know that the Mavic SSC stuff (both the 801, 851 series with the retrofriction shifters and the 8 speed 821 indexing shifter series - 840, 841, 845) were completely disassemblyable, and that back in the day you could order any part.

This would have been cool because you could order a medium cage to convert your derailleur from the 840 to the 841. Or a different front derailleur body to cover you Mavic build for both braze on and clamp frames.

So I look every once in awhile for Mavic parts and bits.

Sometimes I come across stuff I just don't know what it is.

This is on eBay now:

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370032895312

Its listed as Mavic Part 357015

What the heck this?

[edit - straight from France, the seller says that Mavic Part 357015 are supports for the Mavic Aero bar. Now we know.]

I just picked up a Mavic 851 rear derailleur that looks exactly like the one pictured at velobase:

Mavic 851 rear derailleur

The problem is that, for whatever reason, the inner plate of the derailleur cage (closest to the spokes) is really worn through from the chain rubbing. Even part of the bolt that allows you to slide the cage adjustment up or down (making it a long cage, medium cage, whatever you want) is a little worn.

This derailleur doesn't have the original Mavic pulleys. Instead having some goofy Bullseye red anodized metal pulleys:

Bullseye anodized pulleys

Why would the chain hop off the pulley and almost completely wear through the derailleur cage? Has anyone ever heard of this happening before?

Does the Mavic 851 use washers on the derailleur pulleys? The derailleur had eight little metal washers. Two each went on either side of the Bullseye pulleys. I disassembled the cage (aren't Mavic components great?) and I'm just shocked at the fact that the bottom of the cage is almost completely worn through from chain rubbing.

What caused this? In getting this derailleur ready for use on a bike again, should I use those washers? Are they part of a stock Mavic derailleur?

Can you replace the sealed bearings in a Bullseye sealed bearing pulley? Has anyone tried using a 'floating' pulley in one of these Mavic derailleurs to improve shifting performance?

mtnbke
i have 2 NOS rear derailleurs and neither of them have any "washers"

and what are those replacement parts .
i cant figure that one out .

i saw a couple cages on ebay
anyway try to using
pic click
when searching for parts on ebay .
it works failry well .

Cheers
/T

right^ the Bullseye, and other similar aftermarket alloy pulleys with sealed-cart-bearings, were thin compared to the plastic originals, most came with a bunch of SS washers you were to stack on both sides to center the pulley in the cage. I've never tried to press out/in bearings in a pulley since they usually oulast the teeth and replacing the whole pair is cheaper...I assume it can be done like any other pressed-in bearing, but maybe too fiddly given how thin the pulley is.

good info unworthy1 .
thanks
/T

+1 I have the same brake calipers on my Orbea Orca. While they are modern, they are the best brakes I've had on a bike.

I haven't completed the build for my 'tout Mavic' because I'm struggling to find a 66cm or 27" (frame not wheels size) Cannondale frame that hasn't been abused. Most 66cm Cannondales sold are actually 63cm frames (which are 66cm to the top of the seat collar). I'm looking for a true 66cm frame (around 68cm to the top of the collar) or a 27" frame which is around 73cm to the top of the collar.

So I haven't actually tried out my SSC brakes yet. Considering so many people have reviewed these and like them better than the Campy exoskeleton brakes, the SRAM Red calipers, the Shimano Dura-Ace calipers, and the Zero-Gravity brakeset, I've just got to ask: What makes the Mavic SSC calipers 'better' that everyone is replacing their high zoot kit?

I'm using 'em 'cause they are Mavic, but what makes 'em "good"?

Sounds like much hype & hot air to me. It's all about the sale.

on the topic of tout Mavic, mtnbke got me motivated to plow thru my very small collection of Mavic parts and I've unearthed a few things I'll offer for trade to the ISO/Trade subforum up above the fold.
I have a braze-on FD (model 862, I think) with one small defect and missing the plastic mounting washer for under the braze-on bolt,
a pair of braze-on retrofriction shifters (model 821, I think) plus one extra for parts,
and a pair or used pulleys for RD, teeth are eroded, but needle bearings still good.
here's the photo album:
https://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...MavicPulls_FD/

i just checked your photos of your 862 .
you seem to be missing ( or someone has lost it ) the screw, mounting screw plastic washer .
i am looking for ONE of these . anyone have one ?
pictured here



i have one but not 2 and i ahve 2 of these deraileurs .
thanks

Cheers
/T

ok im still a bit confused about what part for the aero bar ?
i have this set up and i dont have these parts on ine . i have never seen this before . as stated in previous posts .

more info please mtnbke


Thanks
/T

/T, you're right, I had not realized that was missing, so I updated my description^
I actually do have one but it's staying on my other FD which is not for sale or trade...yet...

I dunno.....Aerobar shifter mounts??
Saw that item some time ago too. Couldn't figure it out either, but It looks to definitely be realted to bars because of the shape on one of its ends.

Chombi

I know.

unworthy, the shifters appear to be model 821 (or at least that's the model number given to them on velobase). I heard these are kind of ratchet / retrofriction style and not true indexed style shifters correct? Just trying to get a confirmation on that. Thanks!

Thanks Jon, I'll edit the description with the correct number...AFAIK the ratcheting action is just to provide a kind of resistance similar to the Simplex retrofriction's spring, more akin to SunTour or Shimano ratcheting, but the detents in these Mavics make for a much 'coarser' feel than the fine-tooth feel of the SunTours.
I don't think there was any indexing system that these were supposed to correspond to, just a variation of standard friction and will certainly work with 6-spd gears, probably 7 and 8 too, but I haven't tried.
I should point out that the 3rd extra lever I have to trade was modified: the plate that fits on the frame boss was ground nearly flat (maybe to use on an OS frame like a Canondale) so it's a spare for parts, IMO. I didn't do the mod.

If that s the part I'm thinking of it is the Aerobar armrest support cover.
#357 016? and #357 015
Its Title is "Riser"

Damitol!!
I'm Touting cash up the wazoo these past couple of weeks because I've caught a bad case of Mavic treasure hunt fever! I might end up with a Mavic gruppo that's more expensive than the Vitus frame I am currently restoring to it's former glory....
So who driving up the price for these compnents?? did I hear correctly that the Japanese collectors have recently taken a big liking to anything "Velo Franciase"??!!
Someone please tell them that the Italian stuff's kinda nice too so I can find a SSC Erector RD and FD for a good price!

Chombi
84 Peugeot PSV
85(?) Vitus Carbone 7 Plus

You have to remember that Mavic stuff was the most expensive kit available and by a decent margin when it was available new. It was usually the 'Pro's pro' stuff...

Its a veritable bargain today compared with the crap that Campy tries to pawn off today at Monopoly money price points. The funny thing is that half the innards of Campy stuff comes from China, Taiwan, and Romania only to be assembled in Italy, and often times not even that takes place. You can't begin to compare the quality of components available today with what was available in the previous generation. The quality and finish of Japanese components when the Yen ruled was unparalleled. There was a day when Campy couldn't throw enough titanium at its groups to lighten the race level components. Now its merely sufficient to throw a plasticky carbon sticky fascade on a heavier component and the nameplate and brand appeal will carry it. Its kind of like the Harley Davidson brand, at some point it is no longer about what it is, but what people think it "is". Less than one in a thousand sets of Campy components really end up on bikes that are raced competitively. Performance ends up being secondary as a consideration of design. Rather, the push to be cutting edge, with 10, then 11 speeds, carbon Ergo levers that are less reliable, heavier, and more finick than 'drillium' downtube shifters and dedicated brake levers.

I think cyclists are starting to come to terms with the fact that the quality of what is available new, and the force fed technological advancements aren't really "best", and many cyclists are starting to become a bit more sophisticated. They no longer are merely longing for climbing a rung up the component hierarchy or even to jump from the Shimanoculture ship to Campy, but are looking for something...well...better.

There is a whole cult of cyclists that place a very high value on 7/8 speed kit. Its absolutely bombproof, its more durable, and the drivetrain of choice for those that have the imagination to build projects for the unsupported world tour they most likely will never take.

It just so happens that Ergo and STI 8 speed stuff was problematic and not at all durable, being the early inception of integrated shifting. Mavic stuff happens to be the high water mark of 7/8 speed, has no integrated issues (in terms of reliability or weight penalty), is completely disassembleable and can be repaired/relaced down to the last part, and is conveniently available in tourist configurations (medium and long cage derailleurs). When a group has the pedigree of being on a Tour winning bike, and has a Paris-Roubaix win under its belt, and is light enough for Pro peleton bikes while being strong enough to essentially rebrand half the group without any significant changes for mountain bike XC race use, well...what do you expect?

This stuff is epic.

Would you really rather have some disposable Rival, Force, Chorus 10/11, or what have you in the cycle of constantly latest/greatest nonsense that SRAM, Campy, and Shimano keep shoveling or would you rather have something epic, with personality, history, and panache?

The Mavic groupe is a bargain in real dollars, compared to what it used to cost, again in real dollars. Be thankful it hasn't kept pace with its original valuations and had a collectible premium added to reflect the true scarcity of the stuff...

Does anybody know anything about the Mavic 770 hubset? I've always thought of the Mavic 871/2 36 drill HG freehub body to be the Grail of Mavic kit, but this 770 hubset is something that I can't find ANY information on. I mean ANY information.

There are tons of people who have the 571/2 hubset on their bikes, and I personally find it sad how many Mavic only freehub bodies are being used as fixies with spacers, but that's just me.

However, this 'screw' type freehub body is just the cat's pajamas. I've never seen anything like it...

The weird missing link between the epic 500RD and 501 freewheel hubset and the scarce 571, 571/2, and 577 cassette freehub hubsets?

It sold for $250 as a 'Buy it Now' on eBay, and that's a freakin' bargain to any serious Mavic collector. Heck that's merely the price for a set of used but excellent condition 430 levers.

Chombi, be careful with that Vitus frame...

We can thank the Vitus for probably more than half the supply of Mavic SSC kit out there. For those obsessed with being period correct, or having the appropriate canvas for their Mavic kit the Vitus is the bike.

Maybe a more modern Vitus would a safer acceptable alternative?

From old threads on Vitus bonded aluminum bikes I gleaned that Guywires Cyclery in Vancouver, BC can repair 'em using the original materials if one of the Tubes on a Vitus 979 comes loose (which they do). I'm still looking for information as to how often Sean Kelley's frames were replaced, as to whether this was daily, weekly, or if he really subjected the same frame to the rigors of an entire gran tour.

Bonded tubes aside, flex and aluminum are NEVER good bedfellows. Aluminum has a finite number of fatigue cycles before failure. The Vitus bikes were lively and springy, but they should definitely be understood to have a limited useable safe life due to the flex and the resulting fatigue, then when you consider the issues with the bonding...

The old tech editor for Bicycling (Jim Langley) and CyclArt restoration expert Jim Cunningham both advise against riding a vintage/classic Vitus:

Vitus Restoration Saga - Maynard Hershon

The perfect way to showcase Mavic SSC, but take seriously the dangers of such a vintage bike. If you have little kiddies is it really worth it to ride such a bike 3 feet away from the asphalt monsters screaming along? Is it really?