Which bike do you consider "The Holy Grail"?
04-23-14, 03:00 AM
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11-23-17, 10:13 PM
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My list
I,ll just list a couple I'd love to have:
1968 px10
1971 Colnago Super
1972 Raleigh Pro Mink blue
1978 Raleigh Team Ti Raleigh SBDU
1976 De Rosa
1984 Merckx
Any Hetchins
Richard Sachs Cyclocross
Any Confente in my size
1971 Masi GC
1984 Bianchi Specialissima
zullo Inquobo pista
1970s Colnago mexico pista
Alex Singer or Herse
Rivendell Legolas
That's off the top of my head.
1968 px10
1971 Colnago Super
1972 Raleigh Pro Mink blue
1978 Raleigh Team Ti Raleigh SBDU
1976 De Rosa
1984 Merckx
Any Hetchins
Richard Sachs Cyclocross
Any Confente in my size
1971 Masi GC
1984 Bianchi Specialissima
zullo Inquobo pista
1970s Colnago mexico pista
Alex Singer or Herse
Rivendell Legolas
That's off the top of my head.
11-24-17, 01:36 AM
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Yes,.....it's CF,.....but it is my personal "grail" bike
I've gotten a few really good steel bikes from Italy and France after I got this one, but for some reason, they haven't matched the "grail" level of this one for me....
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11-24-17, 07:16 AM
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Isn't it cute to go through old threads and see what you lusted after 4 years ago?
Back then, for me, it was a Schwinn Paramountain- the idea was the using the mountain bike to be effectively, a touring bike. In retrospect- it's a good idea, but the wrong frame.
Shortly after this, it was a Trek 620/720. Then it was a 720.
Now it's an Ellis.
Back then, for me, it was a Schwinn Paramountain- the idea was the using the mountain bike to be effectively, a touring bike. In retrospect- it's a good idea, but the wrong frame.
Shortly after this, it was a Trek 620/720. Then it was a 720.
Now it's an Ellis.
Along the lines of an Ellis- which I would love to have- I sort of would love an old Rene Herse or Singer or Routens. The thing is that I'd be afraid to ride it. Plus I get all these wild hairs about some part or another. I could just see myself replacing old French or even custom made components for some Suntour or Dura Ace thing...
so I don't think I'd deserve a Herse or Singer or Routens. 
. I see Herses pop up in my size once in a while- but none in my price range. Since this thread is also kind of a wish list- I would love to get a Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen with cantilever brakes.
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11-24-17, 07:29 AM
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Maybe not Grail, but crown jewel
Having @gugie build me a lugged steel frame of similar proportions to my gray gravel grinder 29r, just taller.
11-24-17, 08:31 AM
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Ok, just my opinion, a Grail bike could be/is a -
1. Bicycle you have owned from new, mine: Charlie Roberts (x3), Raleigh Corsa, Raleigh SBDU
2. Bicycle built in tiny numbers by Hall of Fame builder, mine: Bill Philbrook
3. Bicycle built by Hall of Fame builder but branded otherwise, mine: Geoffrey Butler (x2) built by Roberts
4. Bicycle built by little known builder but highly regarded by Hall of Fame builder, mine: Allin (x2) builder Peter Cobb highly regarded by Bill Hurlow.
5. Shop branded frame built by Hall of Fame builder, mine: Ken Bird built by Bill Philbrook (not all KBs were built by BP).
A general guide to grail bikes is they rarely carry a factory name, usually the name of a person, and usually a frame only.
John.
1. Bicycle you have owned from new, mine: Charlie Roberts (x3), Raleigh Corsa, Raleigh SBDU
2. Bicycle built in tiny numbers by Hall of Fame builder, mine: Bill Philbrook
3. Bicycle built by Hall of Fame builder but branded otherwise, mine: Geoffrey Butler (x2) built by Roberts
4. Bicycle built by little known builder but highly regarded by Hall of Fame builder, mine: Allin (x2) builder Peter Cobb highly regarded by Bill Hurlow.
5. Shop branded frame built by Hall of Fame builder, mine: Ken Bird built by Bill Philbrook (not all KBs were built by BP).
A general guide to grail bikes is they rarely carry a factory name, usually the name of a person, and usually a frame only.
John.
11-24-17, 10:15 AM
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One like that...
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11-24-17, 10:53 AM
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11-24-17, 11:07 AM
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Having @gugie build me a lugged steel frame of similar proportions to my gray gravel grinder 29r, just taller.
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11-24-17, 11:15 AM
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I don’t know, what’s Vonruden riding these days? 
An early Herse or Singer would be amazing. Confente another.
An early Herse or Singer would be amazing. Confente another.
11-24-17, 11:27 AM
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I'll let you know when I finish building it in my head...
That's kinda like my 'grail car'... For what intended use? Commuting? racing? just cruising around? Each has their own specific requirements.
I've never ridden anything 'exotic' beyond a mid-'70 Paramount or my college roommate's Viscount Aerospace Pro. I was completely happy riding my Fuji S-10S as my ONLY bike for 30 years. Only in the past five-six years or so have I even thought about getting another road bike. I must say that I like the ride of my '86 Miyata 710, now that I've changed a few things to suit my personal preferences.
That's kinda like my 'grail car'... For what intended use? Commuting? racing? just cruising around? Each has their own specific requirements.
I've never ridden anything 'exotic' beyond a mid-'70 Paramount or my college roommate's Viscount Aerospace Pro. I was completely happy riding my Fuji S-10S as my ONLY bike for 30 years. Only in the past five-six years or so have I even thought about getting another road bike. I must say that I like the ride of my '86 Miyata 710, now that I've changed a few things to suit my personal preferences.
11-24-17, 11:50 AM
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Two years ago I could have said the same thing.
It was rough, fun and crazy all at the same time.
However, we are "empty nesters" at this point and I'm not "head" coaching soccer next season.
Might work with a few goalkeepers and that's about it.
Lots of biking with my wife/friends and even time to get into fly fishing again.
It was rough, fun and crazy all at the same time.
However, we are "empty nesters" at this point and I'm not "head" coaching soccer next season.
Might work with a few goalkeepers and that's about it.
Lots of biking with my wife/friends and even time to get into fly fishing again.
11-24-17, 12:29 PM
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Merckx's hour record bike = The Holy Grail and when it shows up on my local CL for a couple hundred bucks you can bet I'll be all over it.
Till then I'll continue to endure some pretty cool non-grails.
Till then I'll continue to endure some pretty cool non-grails.
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11-24-17, 01:23 PM
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For me, my grail bike would be a Zunow with wild paint. Specifically fitted out with full panto Sugino 75 kit. not for everyone, but I really love the different designs that were thought up
11-24-17, 01:50 PM
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There's always N+1...
A Ron Cooper, Ritchey, 60s De Rosa, Bruce Gordon and Weigle still rank for me...but I have a few nice bikes, and I really am out of space. I do love early Holdsworths.
A Ron Cooper, Ritchey, 60s De Rosa, Bruce Gordon and Weigle still rank for me...but I have a few nice bikes, and I really am out of space. I do love early Holdsworths.
11-24-17, 02:17 PM
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