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Old 02-07-10, 07:30 PM
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Group all-wool jersey buy from Oregoncyclewear.com, do it again in 2010?

I'm cancelling this group order, and returning all money received so far. There were only 8 jerseys ordered by people here (who would buy if the order failed to reach the 40+ discount), and the AU order has enough participants at the 12-39 discount level that they can make their own order, and save themselves some money, by not doing it with the USA order.
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ORIGINAL POSTING, 7 Feb, evening

C&V did this last year, and I saw a revivifying post today:
Originally Posted by beech333 View Post
Any chance that you guys will be doing this again this year?
Here's last year's thread, for reference
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...land-Cyclewear
(special thanks to IAB for being most patient “scoutmaster” for last year's order)

And here's the current order page, showing the colors and styles, and group pricing information
http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/order.html
They have both long and short sleeve (with short zip) in several colors, and a full-zip trainer in two colors. We can discuss sizing at length based on people's experience last year.

I would be definitely be interested if we can put together an order for 40 or more, because the price then drops to $41 for short sleeve, or $45 for long sleeve. At 12, prices are $53 and $57 each (plus cost of packaging/shipping from organizer to you, and your share of bulk shipping to organizer).

If less than 40, then I might or might not buy; but I'd be willing to organize/ship anyway. Only problem is, I live in NYC, on the other coast from Oregon, so initial shipment would be somewhat more, and ruinous “there and back” shipping for those people on the left coast to begin with.

I suggest we do it this way: post here and PM me if you are willing to commit at min. 12 level. If we seem headed to 40, then I will ask for PMs from those who will join at the reduced price. Terms are that you have to pay (Paypal or MO) before I make the order. For my part, I will confirm with Oregoncyclewear that there's stock and that the website info is current.

UPDATE #1, 08 Feb, evening:

OK: here are some answers I got from Chad Krueger at Oregon Cyclewear today:

He's happy to give us the 40+ discount if we get enough orders to meet that.
The order can be composed of any combination of sizes, styles and colors. I forgot to ask if the full-zip style is discounted to the same price as standard long-sleeve, when ordering 40+ jerseys; but I'll try to remember that in a day or so. Based on response so far (16 to 18), though, I'd be surprised if we get 40+ orders together.

THIS INFO INCORRECT >>Right now, he's out of Red long-sleeve in sizes L and XL, and won't be getting more anytime soon. He's also out of Black w/Red long-sleeve in sizes L, XL and XXL; but he will get more of those in about 30 days. SEE UPDATED OUTAGE INFORMATION NEAR TOP OF POST!

He said that shipping to NYC should be about $1/jersey for an order of 40+.

I asked about a logo -- there are a lot of variables here, maybe too much to satisfy enough people. Cost to apply a logo is $13 surcharge for each jersey (embroidery, classier IMO) or $3.50 per jersey for flocked. It's possible to mix an order with both logo and no logo jerseys, and still get the discount applicable to the total number of jerseys. But the color has to be the same on all jerseys. He told me that setup charge for a logo is $75; but website says that's for custom logo, and doesn't apply to the standard fonts. For flocked custom logo setup, $35, again cheaper.

I got the full list of standard fonts: about 50, but most of them not so great, in my opinion. I will try to mockup a proposal using standard font(s). My idea was a double-line on front (back instead?) with CLASSIC & VINTAGE over bikeforums.net. Not ironic, but wait to see it before passing judgment.

IGNORE: I haven't done any homework of my own on the cost of shipping to subscribers, but I looked at IAB's template from last year: cost of bulk shipping, drop ship to subscribers, and Paypal surcharge for withdrawal of funds ended up being $8 per jersey for Tyvek envelope and $11 for a USPS flat-rate box; add $2 for insurance. :IGNORE

As far as a review goes: I got a red XL long sleeve, and I'm happy with it. It's not perfect knitting (a couple slubs), but it's quite comfortable and good quality. I'm a Large in everything, with 16 neck and 34-35 sleeve, but the XL fits me just fine. I do wear it usually with something underneath (turtleneck or shirt).

I'll post further updates both inline as a reply to the thread, and here at the top, too, so nobody has to scroll through the entire thread looking for it.

UPDATE #2, 09 Feb evening

Here's my attempt at using the standard fonts available at Oregon Cycle Wear. It's one called Dauphin, both the top and bottom lines. My suggestion would be to have it done as shown, with the two lines perhaps a bit closer together, in black over the white stripe.

I think that the advantage of this is that there would not be a setup charge ($75 for an embroidered logo), but I need to confirm that tomorrow. If there's no setup charge, then I believe logo would cost $13 per jersey where it's applied.

If you like this approach, please say Aye.

Regarding something custom, that would definitely incur the setup charge, and I've never seen a full Campagnolo font, anyway!

UPDATE #3, 10 Feb evening

We're up to 25-26. I'm trolling for interest in the Internet-BOB mailing list, in hopes of getting the count up to 40, for the deeper discount.

I got the following information from Chad Krueger:

If we do the logo as I suggested above, using one of the standard fonts, there is no setup fee.

We could mix no-logo, embroidered logo, and flocked letter logo (there's also an embroidered with border) in the group order, so long as the style of each is constant. Both flocked and embroidered with border have only a few fonts available -- go to this page and look them over if you'd prefer one of those rather than embroidered with the Dauphin font as I illustrated above. I think that, “CLASSIC & VINTAGE” being rather long, both that and the second line “bikeforums.net” would fit in the stripe, unless it's the red or black jersey with two-color stripe; then I'd do the two in the two stripes. For flocked, I think that the Galaxy caps would look good for C&V, and the Athletic Script for BF.net, while for the embroidery with border, there's only one typeface choice, Pro Block, with a second line possible in regular embroidery. My opinion is that CLASSIC & VINTAGE is too much text for the size of letters shown, so I'd prefer not to get into that, and just leave the choice between Embroidered and Flocked.

He confirmed also that the only colors available are those shown on the Order Jerseys page, not any of the additional ones shown on the Home page.

UPDATE #4, 11 Feb, evening

REVIEW(s) AND COMMENTARY, TIME FRAME and SHIPPING COST

I posted, a message about our buy on the internet-BOB mailing list, and there was some negative (plus some positive) feedback about the quality of jerseys sold by Oregon Cycle Works. I'm very satisfied with mine, enough that I'm going to order another -- and the jerseys that people use as a standard for unfavorable comparison cost $100 to $150. If you punish your cycling clothing, then perhaps that's what you need. Personally, I love cycling, but I'd rather spend exorbitant sums on my bikes, and I'd never even consider paying $100 for a piece of cycling clothing,. However, I don't want anyone upset at me if the jerseys don't meet their expectations, so I'm all in favor of “full disclosure.“ If you want to read about what I'm talking about, go to the I-BOB thread and check it out. I'd like to point out that two of the posters, Richard Risemberg and Harth Huffman, have bicycle-wear businesses, and sell higher-priced jerseys.

In addition, you may, while reading this thread, see reference to an email sparring episode a few years ago between Chad Krueger, proprietor of Oregon Cycle Works, and a potential group buy customer (in another venue). The issues were Chinese labor, and insensitive remarks allegedly/apparently made. Again, read for yourself and make up your own mind -- I don't want to feel responsible for anyone's remorse later on.

One more thing: procurement and shipping, if last year's buy is any indication, will take weeks, not days. If you're impatient, this may not be for you.

And finally: I read up on the tail end of last year's thread, and was reminded that all shipping had to take place in a flat-rate box, because, as IAB explained, a flat-rate envelope could not be reinforced with tape. I read the USPS definition of a flat-rate large envelope, and I think that's allowed. The difference is $4.90 for envelope, and $10.20 for large flat-rate box. The only other choice is Parcel Post “package”, at $8.09 (NYC to San Diego) plus cost of a box that doesn't exceed 12” in any dimension.

So, assuming that we don't get to 40 jerseys, a long sleeve jersey shipped would look like ($57 item + $4.90-10.20 postage + $1.50 bulk shipping) * 1.03 Paypal fee = $65.30-70.76

UPDATE #5, 14 Feb, wee hours
STATUS:
We're up to 28, plus another 7 maybes, “would purchase another if discount were deeper,” and people who are indicated interest, but in a color/size choice that's not in stock.

I'm inclined to wait a couple more days to see if we can make a solid 40, even at the risk of there being more “outages.”

I'll put together a sort of order form, to be submitted with payment. It will allow 2nd choice selections, if 1st choice is unavailable. If we're ”iffy“ on the 40+ number, then payment will have to be for the sub-40 cost, but: Needless to say, payment will be refunded if a) we get a better discount (partial refund), or b) the selection made is not available.

I don't know how to do a spreadsheet that's available from a browser, allows user input, and won't require me to enter everything. The only thing I can think of is asking for input as a series of comma-delimited fields that I could paste into Excel.

UPDATE #6: 18 Feb, 9 PM EST

Our fellow cyclists in Australia are helping out by going in with us, to the tune of 10-15 jerseys. Thanks to Wotan!. I'm going to call Chad at OCW and get a final reading on what he's out of, and how soon he expects to have some of those restocked.

If the outage situation doesn't look too bad, then I will publish the order form, and ask for payment at the 40+ discount rate (if outlook is disappointing, I'll ask for payment at under-40 rate). If I do that, then buyers have to be aware that we still might fail to get that 40+ discount. The published order form will have places for 2nd/3rd choices for style/color in case of outage, and also a place to indicate whether you will, or will not, commit to buy if the discount fails to be at the 40+ rate. To place an order, you will have to do two things: send me the order form by email, and send Paypal remittance, in the correct amount for what you're ordering.

If we fail to get the 40+ rate, then I'll refund the payments for those who decided against participating at a higher cost -- of course you'll be charged the 3% for receiving payment on that; can't do anything about that. And I'll then have to notify the people who are still “in” what additional they need to send before I can cut the order.

UPDATE #7, 18 Feb 11PM EST
Ah, um, I'm a bit of a dufus -- I hadn't realized that there are actually five colors available for the SS and LS jerseys: green, red (with 2-tone stripe), blue, black, and black w/red (also 2-tone stripe) -- I had omitted the black w/red; order form revised to reflect that clearly.

UPDATE #8: 22 Feb 11 PM
One astute C&V member has pointed out that folks may be eating beans and wieners until the next paycheck at end of the month; so I'm inclined to move the deadline back until early next week. There's no harm in submitting an order if you are definitely in -- I'll simply leave the “paid” checkbox open until you remit funds.

UPDATE #9: (Thu 25 Feb, 8:30 PM EST)

STATUS: 7 jerseys ordered + paid, two ordered but not yet paid.

OUTAGES: I spoke to Chad Krueger yesterday, and he said that while he's getting more Black long-sleeve jerseys in 2-3 weeks, he is not getting restock on the Black w/Red ones, nor the Red either (until next fall).

UPDATE #10: (Mon 1 Mar, 2:00 PM EST)

STATUS: 25 jerseys ordered (including 15 in AU) and paid, + 1 jersey ordered w/o payment yet. The 12-39 discount rate is secure, but we're only a bit over halfway to the 40+ discount.

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Old 02-07-10, 07:36 PM
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At $41(SS), I would be interested in two.
At $53(SS), I would probably only buy one.
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Old 02-07-10, 07:47 PM
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I'm in for one.
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I'll take one.
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i would get one!
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I would purchase one at either price! Might I suggest re-posting this in other forum sections?
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I'm in for a long sleeve & a short sleeve

[Edit: Long sleeve, full zipper; short sleeve short zipper]

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I'm in for a long sleeve.
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I'm in for a long sleeve at the reduced price with a fractional zip.
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Originally Posted by kit View Post
I would purchase one at either price! Might I suggest re-posting this in other forum sections?
Ah, I don't really want to become a volume seller, or jersey broker. Besides, there might be some ”Classic + Vintage“ logo action. You're welcome to post what you like elsewhere, but people should come here to participate.
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I would buy at least one if this gets rolling. Can anyone report on how there Jersey held up through last season?
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Is it going to be logo less?
When do you need an definite answer by? I'll give you a tentative yes, though.
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Is it going to be logo less?
When do you need an definite answer by? I'll give you a tentative yes, though.
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I think I prefer no logo, but I will not grumble if there is one.
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I'm in for one, LS or SS, whatever. It would be awesome if it had "Classic and Vintage" or "C&V" in Campy-esque script though.
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I wouldn't mind a simple BikeForums.net on the front, maybe C&V on the back. Or just C&V somewhere on it.
But I know I don't have final say, and wouldn't complain either way.
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I would buy at least one if this gets rolling. Can anyone report on how there Jersey held up through last season?
I wore mine on a 7 day tour in March-April, and loved it. Of course that's not long enough to show any wear, right? But it definitely seems tougher than my other wool jersey, which is Louis Garneau merino wool which I haven't worn quite as much, but is showing more wear-- but I think that's because I wore it on a three day tour during which it rained most of the time. So... hard to tell, but I have to give the Portland one a thumbs up so far.

Re. bike forums logo... web address... C&V... I'm not opposed, but somehow none of these options sound to me like something that would read properly on a jersey, if you see what I mean. I mean, if I'm going to advertise something, it has to have a name that sounds like a name, rather than a description. "Bike Forums Classic and Vintage" somehow doesn't do it for me. I'd rather have something like "Velo Cheapo" in a classic cursive script; or something else. Anyone got an idea, original or recycled?

edit: Here, look, I did a quick mockup of "velo cheapo," just to inspire someone. I know, it's a terrible font, but you get what you pay for sometimes....velo cheapo.jpg

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I would rather have a plain shirt and choose to get a logo added at a later date. Choosing a logo that everyone is happy with would be a pita.

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I'm in for one-long sleeve full zip.
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For those who got these last year... how are they holding up? Especially when riding.

I have had problems with cheap wool jerseys stretching out when they get wet or sweaty -especially if you put anything in the pockets.
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I've been toying with the idea of doing similar with Ibex and maybe throwing in their wool bibs.

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I'm in!!

One LS at $45
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I'm in for a long sleeve XL ($57 or $45).
Velo Cheapo is fine with me...What would "Huffy" look like?
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I'm out, as I'm allergic to wool. It used to drive me nuts in the old days. I was so happy when cycling apparel in alternative fabrics started to appear.
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I'd like to get something, but I am unclear on the offering - what does the short sleeve look like, what color, and what exactly can you order as par tof the group buy? Anything listed ont he linked page? (IE can we mix and match...)

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I purchased wool jerseys from Oregon Cyclewear several years ago. Mine have a single, zippered rear pocket, not what is pictured on the website today. I would say the wear has been acceptable. They do stretch more than other fabrics, so anyone wanting to REALLY load the pockets will probably not be happy. The one I used most has exceeded it's life as a cycling jersey but is a great winter sleep-shirt.
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