For the love of English 3 speeds...
05-26-16 | 06:53 AM
Bikes are okay, I guess.
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From: Richmond, Virginia
Bikes: Waterford Paramount Touring, Raleigh Sports 3-speeds in M23 & L23, Schwinn Cimarron oddball build, Marin Palisades Trail dropbar conversion, Nishiki Cresta GT, Jeunet mixte
Two different Raleigh Superbes on CL.
These two showed up this morning. The first is in nicer shape but costs almost twice what the second does. Both are 23" frames. Get yours now!
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Vintage Mens Raleigh Superbe 3 speed Bicycle
Vintage Mens Raleigh Superbe 3 speed Bicycle - $375 (Richmond) hide this posting
Floyd Ave
condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Raleigh
model name / number: Superbe
size / dimensions: 23" or 58.5cm
Vintage men's Raleigh Superbe, very rare and collectable bike, hard to find English bike model, made in England back when they where still making them there, 100% original bike. Local pickup only and no checks or money orders, cash only.
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Vintage RALEIGH SUPERBE Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Mens Bicycle
Vintage RALEIGH SUPERBE Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Mens Bicycle - $200 (Richmond@Forest Hill Park) hide this posting
west 33rd st at forest hill ave
condition: good
Good looking Raleigh Superbe three speed bike circa 1970
Made in England, all original, handsome for being 45 years young, or a great restoration project for the perfectionist/ re-seller.
No fair offer will be refused. Cash & Carry. Thanks.
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Vintage Mens Raleigh Superbe 3 speed Bicycle
Vintage Mens Raleigh Superbe 3 speed Bicycle - $375 (Richmond) hide this posting
Floyd Ave
condition: excellent
make / manufacturer: Raleigh
model name / number: Superbe
size / dimensions: 23" or 58.5cm
Vintage men's Raleigh Superbe, very rare and collectable bike, hard to find English bike model, made in England back when they where still making them there, 100% original bike. Local pickup only and no checks or money orders, cash only.
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Vintage RALEIGH SUPERBE Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Mens Bicycle
Vintage RALEIGH SUPERBE Sturmey Archer 3 Speed Mens Bicycle - $200 (Richmond@Forest Hill Park) hide this posting
west 33rd st at forest hill ave
condition: good
Good looking Raleigh Superbe three speed bike circa 1970
Made in England, all original, handsome for being 45 years young, or a great restoration project for the perfectionist/ re-seller.
No fair offer will be refused. Cash & Carry. Thanks.
05-26-16 | 08:58 AM
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I'm going to try something I haven't done before. I'm going to restore one of those cheaply made original equipment saddle bags for my 64 Sports project bike. These were not made to last. I remember, even years and years ago, the cheap leather straps tended to get brittle and break. The body is made from leatherette glued to a canvas type material. The sides are reinforced with a thin, masonite type of material attached with poorly plated rivets. The front panel isn't reinforced at all and tends to sag in the middle. The 3 straps in the back are only threaded through loops so only need to be copied, but the lid straps are stitched on, so I'll need to cut the threads to remove them. The leatherette is in good condition and the buckles all look good and are reusable. I even bought a chrome pump for it so it has a bit more like the show room look. I wasn't originally, but I've decided to keep this bike. Hard to put into words, but it just appeals to me. I love riding it.
05-26-16 | 09:58 AM
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[MENTION=398265]BigChief[/MENTION], I had good success repairing a saddlebag like that by taking it to a shoe repair shop. They made new leather strips using the old buckles and I was down the road.
05-26-16 | 10:05 AM
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Bikes: Mostly 1st-generation, top-of-the-line, non-unicrown MTBs/ATBs: All 1984 models: Dawes Ranger, Peugeot Canyon Express, Ross Mt. Whitney (chrome), Schwinn High Sierra, and a 1983 Trek 850.
I'm going to try something I haven't done before. I'm going to restore one of those cheaply made original equipment saddle bags for my 64 Sports project bike. These were not made to last. I remember, even years and years ago, the cheap leather straps tended to get brittle and break. The body is made from leatherette glued to a canvas type material. The sides are reinforced with a thin, masonite type of material attached with poorly plated rivets. The front panel isn't reinforced at all and tends to sag in the middle. The 3 straps in the back are only threaded through loops so only need to be copied, but the lid straps are stitched on, so I'll need to cut the threads to remove them. The leatherette is in good condition and the buckles all look good and are reusable. I even bought a chrome pump for it so it has a bit more like the show room look. I wasn't originally, but I've decided to keep this bike. Hard to put into words, but it just appeals to me. I love riding it.
We have this guy locally: Raleigh - British - 3 speed touring bag (NOS)
He's selling what he calls a "Japanese NOS copy" of the original Raleigh bags for forty bucks. I would be tempted to give that a try. But if you are doing it in order to fill some time and expand your skillset, then I understand the impulse to DIY. Good luck with that, as they say...
05-26-16 | 10:31 AM
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I've already sacrificed some originality for function. I used a German Fleischer kickstand instead of one of the Raleigh footed alloy stands. The Raleigh stand is too tippy for me. A good breeze can blow the bike over. I also used a 22T cog in back just because the lower gearing makes riding more enjoyable for me. I'm doing this purely for fun. Besides, I don't have another project bike in the pipeline. I do like that saddle bag on the red bike though.
05-26-16 | 10:40 AM
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Bikes: '71 Raleigh Sport, early 70s Peugeot, early 70s Schwinn Suburban, '78 Raleigh DL1, '91 Merlin Titanium Road Bike, '86 Bianchi (model not yet known)
@DQRider, by coincidence, here is another 78 DL1 without the flash:
Vintage Raleigh Tourist 3 Speed w Rod Brakes Nottingham England | eBay
Vintage Raleigh Tourist 3 Speed w Rod Brakes Nottingham England | eBay
05-26-16 | 10:48 AM
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There's a guy here in the Twin Cities that makes really nice seat bags for about $125. His name is Russell Bourrienne 612.709.7327 They are his own design and he does a lot of custom work. One I saw on the Lake Pepin Tour had a British flag motif built into the construction.
05-26-16 | 11:01 AM
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Bikes: 1968 Raleigh Sports, 1970 Raleigh Twenty
If you can forgo instant gratification, make an eBay alert for "vintage bicycle saddlebag". NOS bags come up every once in a while, usually very reasonable.
05-26-16 | 11:09 AM
I've already sacrificed some originality for function. I used a German Fleischer kickstand instead of one of the Raleigh footed alloy stands. The Raleigh stand is too tippy for me. A good breeze can blow the bike over. I also used a 22T cog in back just because the lower gearing makes riding more enjoyable for me. I'm doing this purely for fun. Besides, I don't have another project bike in the pipeline. I do like that saddle bag on the red bike though.
05-26-16 | 12:01 PM
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I'm going to try something I haven't done before. I'm going to restore one of those cheaply made original equipment saddle bags for my 64 Sports project bike. These were not made to last. I remember, even years and years ago, the cheap leather straps tended to get brittle and break. The body is made from leatherette glued to a canvas type material. The sides are reinforced with a thin, masonite type of material attached with poorly plated rivets. The front panel isn't reinforced at all and tends to sag in the middle. The 3 straps in the back are only threaded through loops so only need to be copied, but the lid straps are stitched on, so I'll need to cut the threads to remove them. The leatherette is in good condition and the buckles all look good and are reusable. I even bought a chrome pump for it so it has a bit more like the show room look. I wasn't originally, but I've decided to keep this bike. Hard to put into words, but it just appeals to me. I love riding it.
Following your bag strap renew with interest. I have one with quickly deteriorating straps.
Following your bag strap renew with interest. I have one with quickly deteriorating straps.
05-26-16 | 12:41 PM
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From: Minnesota
Bikes: Mostly 1st-generation, top-of-the-line, non-unicrown MTBs/ATBs: All 1984 models: Dawes Ranger, Peugeot Canyon Express, Ross Mt. Whitney (chrome), Schwinn High Sierra, and a 1983 Trek 850.
@DQRider, by coincidence, here is another 78 DL1 without the flash:
Vintage Raleigh Tourist 3 Speed w Rod Brakes Nottingham England | eBay
Vintage Raleigh Tourist 3 Speed w Rod Brakes Nottingham England | eBay
05-26-16 | 12:48 PM
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Here's a place to start:
A DIY Longflap Saddlebag for Minimalist Bike Touring - BIKEPACKING.com
And now I'm off to retrieve the Rudge!
Mans 3 speed bike made in England
Just home.
Everything is in very good condition. It even has new tires and its Britannialloy pump. The original Brooks is a raisin, but not torn. I'll search for your renewal suggestions. Frankly, it exceeded, condition wise, all expectations. Sadly, it's a bit small for my husband. Hub date is "2 63"
A DIY Longflap Saddlebag for Minimalist Bike Touring - BIKEPACKING.com
And now I'm off to retrieve the Rudge!
Mans 3 speed bike made in England
Just home.
Everything is in very good condition. It even has new tires and its Britannialloy pump. The original Brooks is a raisin, but not torn. I'll search for your renewal suggestions. Frankly, it exceeded, condition wise, all expectations. Sadly, it's a bit small for my husband. Hub date is "2 63"
Last edited by slowtostart; 05-26-16 at 05:53 PM. Reason: update
05-26-16 | 07:26 PM
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Bikes: Raleigh Tourist, Jamis Coda, Rad City e-bike & a bright orange Citizen Miami folder
Damn, I'd sell my Tourist at those prices. Well maybe not but one of the Ebay listings is asking close to $1200 - double what I paid for a new bike in 1980.
@DQRider, by coincidence, here is another 78 DL1 without the flash:
Vintage Raleigh Tourist 3 Speed w Rod Brakes Nottingham England | eBay
Vintage Raleigh Tourist 3 Speed w Rod Brakes Nottingham England | eBay
05-26-16 | 07:43 PM
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Bikes: 1971 Hercules, 1978 Raleigh Superbe, 1978 Raleigh Tourist, 1964 Glider 3 Speed, 1967 Raleigh Sprite 5 Speed, 1968 Hercules AMF 3 Speed, 1972 Raleigh Superbe, 1976 Raleigh Superbe, 1957 Flying Pigeon, 1967 Dunelt 3 Speed
Here's a place to start:
A DIY Longflap Saddlebag for Minimalist Bike Touring - BIKEPACKING.com
And now I'm off to retrieve the Rudge!
Mans 3 speed bike made in England
Just home.
Everything is in very good condition. It even has new tires and its Britannialloy pump. The original Brooks is a raisin, but not torn. I'll search for your renewal suggestions. Frankly, it exceeded, condition wise, all expectations. Sadly, it's a bit small for my husband. Hub date is "2 63"
A DIY Longflap Saddlebag for Minimalist Bike Touring - BIKEPACKING.com
And now I'm off to retrieve the Rudge!
Mans 3 speed bike made in England
Just home.
Everything is in very good condition. It even has new tires and its Britannialloy pump. The original Brooks is a raisin, but not torn. I'll search for your renewal suggestions. Frankly, it exceeded, condition wise, all expectations. Sadly, it's a bit small for my husband. Hub date is "2 63"
05-26-16 | 07:52 PM
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Bikes: Mostly 1st-generation, top-of-the-line, non-unicrown MTBs/ATBs: All 1984 models: Dawes Ranger, Peugeot Canyon Express, Ross Mt. Whitney (chrome), Schwinn High Sierra, and a 1983 Trek 850.
Well, that's the beauty of it: unlike cars, old English 3-speeds can go through almost infinite cycles of restore, ride, maintain, and still look as good as you want them to come sale time. I plan to ride mine until I tire of it, if that ever even happens, and then spruce it up and sell it for crazy money into a market that will only get better with time.
05-26-16 | 08:45 PM
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I have two bikes with those older, vinyl bags. They look right for a 1960s-70s bike, but a little out of place on the earlier ones. The quality is so-so. The Carradice Zipper Roll in black is my favorite bag. The Banjo Brothers Barrel is a decent budget offering, though a bit smaller.
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05-26-16 | 08:49 PM
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Here's a place to start:
A DIY Longflap Saddlebag for Minimalist Bike Touring - BIKEPACKING.com
And now I'm off to retrieve the Rudge!
Mans 3 speed bike made in England
Just home.
Everything is in very good condition. It even has new tires and its Britannialloy pump. The original Brooks is a raisin, but not torn. I'll search for your renewal suggestions. Frankly, it exceeded, condition wise, all expectations. Sadly, it's a bit small for my husband. Hub date is "2 63"
A DIY Longflap Saddlebag for Minimalist Bike Touring - BIKEPACKING.com
And now I'm off to retrieve the Rudge!
Mans 3 speed bike made in England
Just home.
Everything is in very good condition. It even has new tires and its Britannialloy pump. The original Brooks is a raisin, but not torn. I'll search for your renewal suggestions. Frankly, it exceeded, condition wise, all expectations. Sadly, it's a bit small for my husband. Hub date is "2 63"
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05-26-16 | 09:17 PM
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Hope you do not blow your knees out BigChief.
I have two 23s now. One complete bike and one very nice frame and parts. I am planning to build one of them for my brother who is a little over 6 foot tall and has a rails to trails right behind his house and plenty of cycling opportunities near his house. Me, I am not quite 5-11 (my aviation medical say 5-11) but I think I have shrunk. Anyways, when I get on a 23 inch frame if I dismount that top tube is too close for comfort if you ask me. I used to look for 23s and now I look for 21s and want a 19 step through. But the 23 inch bikes I have rescued will find useful homes in due time.
I have my MB3, the Dunelt and my Guerciotto all apart in the basement shop, hope the parts do not get mixed up! Could make for a Johnny Cash song---- and then the steering of my Jeep need to be replaced, so I am kinda underwater on mechanical projects. Could end up looking like this.
I have two 23s now. One complete bike and one very nice frame and parts. I am planning to build one of them for my brother who is a little over 6 foot tall and has a rails to trails right behind his house and plenty of cycling opportunities near his house. Me, I am not quite 5-11 (my aviation medical say 5-11) but I think I have shrunk. Anyways, when I get on a 23 inch frame if I dismount that top tube is too close for comfort if you ask me. I used to look for 23s and now I look for 21s and want a 19 step through. But the 23 inch bikes I have rescued will find useful homes in due time.
I have my MB3, the Dunelt and my Guerciotto all apart in the basement shop, hope the parts do not get mixed up! Could make for a Johnny Cash song---- and then the steering of my Jeep need to be replaced, so I am kinda underwater on mechanical projects. Could end up looking like this.
Last edited by Loose Chain; 05-26-16 at 09:36 PM.
05-27-16 | 06:22 AM
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Well, the operative words here are casual riding. I ride relatively flat landscapes and my speeds and distances are modest. Compared to a well set up road bike, efficiency , I'll guess, must be down by 50% on an upright 3 speed. There's no pull on the crank, my upper body muscles aren't doing anything besides holding me up and wind resistance is much higher. This is why I like them geared down a bit. Considering all that, an inch or two of leg extension doesn't amount to much. What I gain is the experience of riding with my upper body in the same position as I was walking. Except I'm not walking. I'm gliding through the countryside with the wind in my face taking in the surroundings. I really don't notice a big difference between my 21" and 23" or my 24" roadster as long as I take my rides nice and easy. If I want to get somewhere in a hurry or deal with hill climbing, I have a drop bar road bike for that.
05-27-16 | 06:54 AM
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@BigChief, I had good success repairing a saddlebag like that by taking it to a shoe repair shop. They made new leather strips using the old buckles and I was down the road.
Great shop, traditional craftsmanship and worth going in just for the leather smell of the tack.
-Bandera
05-27-16 | 08:01 AM
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Here's a place to start:
A DIY Longflap Saddlebag for Minimalist Bike Touring - BIKEPACKING.com
And now I'm off to retrieve the Rudge!
Mans 3 speed bike made in England
Just home.
Everything is in very good condition. It even has new tires and its Britannialloy pump. The original Brooks is a raisin, but not torn. I'll search for your renewal suggestions. Frankly, it exceeded, condition wise, all expectations. Sadly, it's a bit small for my husband. Hub date is "2 63"
A DIY Longflap Saddlebag for Minimalist Bike Touring - BIKEPACKING.com
And now I'm off to retrieve the Rudge!
Mans 3 speed bike made in England
Just home.
Everything is in very good condition. It even has new tires and its Britannialloy pump. The original Brooks is a raisin, but not torn. I'll search for your renewal suggestions. Frankly, it exceeded, condition wise, all expectations. Sadly, it's a bit small for my husband. Hub date is "2 63"
05-27-16 | 09:00 AM
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Another nice thing about this Rudge is the one bolt wrap around style brake levers like the Raleigh badged bikes always had. The other brand Raleighs usually came with levers with 2 bolt clamshell clamps. That second bolt interferes with the trigger lever and forces you to set the trigger further back on the handlebars. It also has the Raleigh style stamped fender stays which are more rigid than the plain wire stays the other brands usually got.
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05-27-16 | 02:01 PM
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The very neglected saddle is enjoying a Proofhide marinade in the sun. Brooks advertises an "aged" saddle. I have an authentic one. It was more elephant's rump than raisin before our start today. Now it has "texture".
The paint, chrome, and pin striping are in very good condition after a gentle wash and careful application of Meguiar's Scratch X to the frame. Wax to follow.
Sir M, that bag resembles a shaving kit bag with a flap, yes? Could it be rectangular rather than cylindrical?