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Old 07-14-17, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I wonder if anyone knows a few details about what appears to be a 1971 Raleigh Twenty. It's all original. I'm the second owner. Front hub has an oil hole with a band. I've never seen this on a Twenty.
The pedal reflectors, which are built in, are white & not amber/yellow. I did not ask the seller where his grandparents bought them, but they have (406) 20" wheels - for the American market.
I have a 1972 R20 with the hole and band in the front hub and the 406s. I believe the pedal reflectors are amber. Ill check when i get a chance.
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Finished the '73 roadster today. I can say with certainty now, since I've tried both, that the Kool Stop salmon inserts are, hands down, more aggressive stoppers than the Fibrax pads. Besides the usual setup steps of getting the pads to land on the correct place on the rim and evenly, I had to bend the levers down a bit to get maximum leverage. I've found that you need a distance of about 3" from the lever ends to the grip. These were a good 1/2" short. I mounted the front pads trailing the stirrup this time and can't say I notice any difference between this and my other roadster with leading mounted pads. I had no trouble at all with this 73 AW hub. I replaced all the bearings and gave it some new marine grease. Shifts smoothly. I did remove the plastic BB bearing cages and used loose balls instead. This is more of a hunch that science. Just seems to me that 22 bearings would be better than 14. I didn't replace the broken shifter and cable pulley with period correct parts. What can I say? I just don't like them. I used late 50s SA parts. Now that's it's geared down and has brakes that work, I really enjoy riding this bike. That's thanks to all the people here at BF that gave me so much valuable info.

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1972 Supercycle "Made in England" 3speed

Another project bike purchased at the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show. It's owner convinced me I should have it, and when he lowered his price to $50, I took the bait. AW hub stamped 72, original white wall "Coaster" tires (stamped Foreign?) some sort of leather saddle that says Birmingham and can make out a W (Wrights?) There is was enough oil on the rear rim to save it but the front is toast. Picked up one at the show $5 that is presentable. Stem is loose, haven't tried seatpost yet.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
Finished the '73 roadster today. I can say with certainty now, since I've tried both, that the Kool Stop salmon inserts are, hands down, more aggressive stoppers than the Fibrax pads. Besides the usual setup steps of getting the pads to land on the correct place on the rim and evenly, I had to bend the levers down a bit to get maximum leverage. I've found that you need a distance of about 3" from the lever ends to the grip. These were a good 1/2" short. I mounted the front pads trailing the stirrup this time and can't say I notice any difference between this and my other roadster with leading mounted pads. I had no trouble at all with this 73 AW hub. I replaced all the bearings and gave it some new marine grease. Shifts smoothly. I did remove the plastic BB bearing cages and used loose balls instead. This is more of a hunch that science. Just seems to me that 22 bearings would be better than 14. I didn't replace the broken shifter and cable pulley with period correct parts. What can I say? I just don't like them. I used late 50s SA parts. Now that's it's geared down and has brakes that work, I really enjoy riding this bike. That's thanks to all the people here at BF that gave me so much valuable info.

73DL1a by Billy Bones, on Flickr
She's a beauty, BigChief! I'm with you about the older `50s components over the later stuff. I try to eliminate as much plastic as I can on my bikes - and those steel pulleys look and function so much better.

In other news, I've taken temporary possession of a pair of Triumph 3-speeds, sold to me by our very own @gna. These will get a thorough detailing and tune-up before going to their new owners - a guy I work with and his wife. My goal is to get them to ride the Lake Pepin Tour in two years' time. Pics to follow...


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In other news, I've taken temporary possession of a pair of Triumph 3-speeds, sold to me by our very own @gna. These will get a thorough detailing and tune-up before going to their new owners -
... You could build one for me DQ... just saying'....
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Originally Posted by DQRider

In other news, I've taken temporary possession of a pair of Triumph 3-speeds, sold to me by our very own @gna. These will get a thorough detailing and tune-up before going to their new owners - a guy I work with and his wife. My goal is to get them to ride the Lake Pepin Tour in two years' time. Pics to follow...
Both of those bikes appeared in this thread years ago. They were gone, then returned. I hope they get ridden in their new home.

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Velocivixen - Funny you should comment on the crown race - I was recently reading (around page 350ish as I work my way through) about your 1st sports, its loose crown race, the advice you got, and the fix So thanks for your reply, it's good to know it's pretty much a non-issue, as I was kinda getting ready to be all worried about it. I think I'll just do what you did and put a couple of spots of epoxy in there, only enough that I can remove it again if I want to. It's weird cause it's not loose enough to shim, really it's just 'there', not loose, not snug. A 'Goldilocks' fit

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1958 Raleigh Sports 4-speed for a ride today after fixing a flat.

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I really like the FW hubs.





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Tall ones coming out of the woodwork this week, this one a ladies' frame.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...220938885.html

Raleigh Women's 3-speed (ca.1971) - $95 (Midlothian/Richmond)



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This is a lovely vintage Raleigh Women's 26" three speed, manufactured in Nottingham, England. The rear three speed hub is not original but was replaced about five years ago. The seat, as seen in the picture, does have a tear, but I'm happy to include a seat cover with purchase. Otherwise, the bike is in very good condition.

Thanks very much for looking!
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
1958 Raleigh Sports 4-speed for a ride today after fixing a flat.

https://bikeshedva.blogspot.com/2017...-carousel.html

I really like the FW hubs.





There are some very nice bikes out there...
This being one of them.
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There are some very nice bikes out there...
This being one of them.
Yes, beautiful photos too. Always enjoying seeing Sir Mikes pictures. Been thinking about finding some chrome pump clamps for the downtube of my Sprite. Can't imagine why Raleigh left off the pump lugs on this model.
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Yes, beautiful photos too. Always enjoying seeing Sir Mikes pictures. Been thinking about finding some chrome pump clamps for the downtube of my Sprite. Can't imagine why Raleigh left off the pump lugs on this model.

When Tube Investments took over Raleigh in 1960 they were determined to cut costs and raise profits. A savings of 50 cents per unit x a million units adds up quickly. The elimination of the heron's eye on the chain ring being a prime example. Loose bearings vs. caged and so on....
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When Tube Investments took over Raleigh in 1960 they were determined to cut costs and raise profits. A savings of 50 cents per unit x a million units adds up quickly. The elimination of the heron's eye on the chain ring being a prime example. Loose bearings vs. caged and so on....
True. My cracked piston award goes to Sturmey Archer when, by 1973, they decided to eliminate the little steel nut on the cable pulley band and make the band a bit longer, fold it over on itself and tap a hole in the thin, soft band material for the cheap, barely plated screw. The older ones were a classy bit of manufacturing. Sturdy two piece clip together band, deep headed machine screw, semi domed flatted nut and steel wheel all with a gun barrel blue or zinc finish. The 60s plastic wheeled units may not have been as nice, but at least they worked. Yup...I've got a right to rant. I had one slide down the seat tube and scratch the paint and wreck the 20 30 sticker.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
True. My cracked piston award goes to Sturmey Archer when, by 1973, they decided to eliminate the little steel nut on the cable pulley band and make the band a bit longer, fold it over on itself and tap a hole in the thin, soft band material for the cheap, barely plated screw. The older ones were a classy bit of manufacturing. Sturdy two piece clip together band, deep headed machine screw, semi domed flatted nut and steel wheel all with a gun barrel blue or zinc finish. The 60s plastic wheeled units may not have been as nice, but at least they worked. Yup...I've got a right to rant. I had one slide down the seat tube and scratch the paint and wreck the 20 30 sticker.
We all need a good rant every once in a while.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
True. My cracked piston award goes to Sturmey Archer when, by 1973, they decided to eliminate the little steel nut on the cable pulley band and make the band a bit longer, fold it over on itself and tap a hole in the thin, soft band material for the cheap, barely plated screw. The older ones were a classy bit of manufacturing. Sturdy two piece clip together band, deep headed machine screw, semi domed flatted nut and steel wheel all with a gun barrel blue or zinc finish. The 60s plastic wheeled units may not have been as nice, but at least they worked. Yup...I've got a right to rant. I had one slide down the seat tube and scratch the paint and wreck the 20 30 sticker.
The clear plastic-faced shifters: the plastic-faced shifters that used the clear plastic don't necessarily look bad, but they rely on tension of the screw to hold them tight. The problem is the same screw exerts pressure on the plastic faceplate and inevitably cracks it once you have it tight enough to hold the shifter in place. Then once the crack appears, it loosens the screw just a bit and the shifter isn't tight enough again. When the plastic was new, maybe it worked OK, at best. 40+ years later, the design is self-defeating.
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The clear plastic-faced shifters: the plastic-faced shifters that used the clear plastic don't necessarily look bad, but they rely on tension of the screw to hold them tight. The problem is the same screw exerts pressure on the plastic faceplate and inevitably cracks it once you have it tight enough to hold the shifter in place. Then once the crack appears, it loosens the screw just a bit and the shifter isn't tight enough again. When the plastic was new, maybe it worked OK, at best. 40+ years later, the design is self-defeating.
I like and collect the all metal ones with the the etched face.
George at Parkdale Bicycles, gave me a nice one today.
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Yes...the trigger shifters too. On my roadster, all that was left of the trigger shifter cover was a tiny bit of plastic under the screw head. Another bad idea IMO. I also don't like the key hole ferrule connector on the later shifters. The cable tends to move around more than the earlier shifters with the threaded ferrule joint. Those face plates were embossed brass, chrome plated then printed. Very nice work by skilled craftsmen. No CNC machines back then. Those dies were made by hand. The work that went into those shifter face plates is something you would never see today's products. I've been hoarding bike parts for a long time. I just had the SA box out to finish the roadster. I'll post a picture of them before I put them away.
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I like and collect the all metal ones with the the etched face.
George at Parkdale Bicycles, gave me a nice one today.
The 1950s-era window ones are my favorites - every time I see one for cheap, I buy it.
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I was a flee market junkie back in the 70s. Always scanning for old English bikes and parts. Most of the shifters I have came at one time in a treasure chest of SA stuff somebody else collected. I'm not finding much in the way of 50s parts these days. My wife did come home with this a couple years ago. Here's a before and after of the 3 or 4 speed shifter that I got from it. It's on my roadster now.

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I was a flee market junkie back in the 70s. Always scanning for old English bikes and parts. Most of the shifters I have came at one time in a treasure chest of SA stuff somebody else collected. I'm not finding much in the way of 50s parts these days. My wife did come home with this a couple years ago. Here's a before and after of the 3 or 4 speed shifter that I got from it. It's on my roadster now.

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Those are my favourite as well.
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Another project bike purchased at the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show. It's owner convinced me I should have it, and when he lowered his price to $50, I took the bait. AW hub stamped 72, original white wall "Coaster" tires (stamped Foreign?) some sort of leather saddle that says Birmingham and can make out a W (Wrights?) There is was enough oil on the rear rim to save it but the front is toast. Picked up one at the show $5 that is presentable. Stem is loose, haven't tried seatpost yet.
Supercycle bikes have a special meaning to me and others as we often rode them as kids.
Lovely score @browngw .... nice match to the Robin Hood.

The very first drop bar bike I ever saw was a friend's Supercycle just like yours, so I also have good memories of that brand and that colour in particular. He was also the first kid I knew who grew long(ish) hair - not at the back mind you, just his bangs - his parents would not allow the back to grow out (circa 1967/8).
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Those are my favourite as well.
Here's an ad from December 1949. This was an improvement over the older design. An internal spring that didn't get lost when you changed the cable. The new small end style cable with threaded ferrule and the new more modern SA logo. How sharp.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
The 1950s-era window ones are my favorites - every time I see one for cheap, I buy it.
I've managed to accumulate a bunch of those, but on most the spring seems kind of shot, and I don't think it has enough tension to hold the gear. Anyone have a fix for that?
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