FreeSpirit10

Hey everybody.

I was on here about 2 years ago with a garbage Free Spirit 10 speed, hence the username. I got that nicely repaired. It works great, but it's a little tall for me. I've been using it occasionally for awhile now.

So, I started looking around for a new project.

At local store, I see 2 bikes that I know very little about.

A Columbia Formula 10 with rusty chain and bad paint. Everything mechanical seems to be in easily repairable condition, but I wouldn't call it ridable yet. It will also need new tires. I have no idea what year it is. It's $25.

Would it be simple to find a new chain for it? It looks very bad.

A "Vornado Ascot 10". It is in much better mechanical condition. The frame has rust on it, but not very much. It will also need new tires, but everything seems intact. It has a very ugly paint job. It currently lacks reflectors as if they were removed prior to sale or something. I've never repainted a bike, but I can learn that. It's $20.

I really know nothing about that one. I'd really like to know more if someone's owned one of these.

So, do either of those seem like good deals and/or fun projects? I'll probably pick one of them anyway, just because I'm in the mood to fix something.

sooprvylyn

I've only looked at a few pics online but if I were to chose one I'd go with the Vornado

For only 20-25 bucks either is a good project and good practice.

wrk101

The Columbia is donation fodder, a real junker. Aim higher. Hit garage sales and similar, and you should be able to find a bike shop branded (higher quality) bike in the $25 to $50 range. Read some of the threads on repainting (rattlecan) bikes. Most report very poor durability on the paint jo, and lots of work on prep. Working on low end bikes is a good way to gain experience, but when you are done, you will have more money into the bike than it is worth. Put the same amount of effort/time/money into a better bike, and you usually can make money on your time. I much prefer making a little money while I gain experience. And it helps fund the next bike.

FreeSpirit10

Does anyone know anything about the Vornado? Was it some kind of dept. store bike? How old is it most likely? It looks mid 70's to mid 80's to me, but I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff.

Maddox

From what I know, Ascot made gas pipe, boom-era, department-store bikes. Not particularly notable.

The Vornado looks to be a low-level 10 speed with heavy, inexpensive components. I haven't heard about how these bikes hold up and how easy they are as restorations, but as far as rideability and value - seems like you should really hold out for something better. I don't think you'd regret holding out for a better buy.

sonatageek

Vornado is a department store bike. Here is one posted on the Old 10 Speed Gallery:
https://oldtenspeedgallery.com/owner-...ascot-vornado/

FreeSpirit10

Hmm. Okay, I think I might try to wait for a better bike then. That's too bad.

I almost never see anything good on craigslist around here. I'll probably be waiting awhile. I might just buy it anyway. We'll see.

wrk101

+1 Ascot 10 is a dog as well. Look beyond C/L: garage sales, thrift stores, post a WTB ad on Craigs List, neighborhood newsletters, etc.

FreeSpirit10

A stroke of luck: My dad remembered an old bike in my Grandparent's barn that used to be his.

It will be awhile before I can check it out, but he says it's some kind of Columbia Tourist. At first, he said "Tourister", but I think that "Tourist" is much more likely. (Unless there's actually such a thing as a "Columbia Tourister"?)

He says it's a 5 speed. He thinks he got it around 78 or so. As far as I can tell, it is a superior bike to the ones that I've been looking at, right? Probably a worthwhile project when I can go pick it up. Any thoughts on this one? It's free, so I can't go too wrong with it.

Edit: I'll have a chance to go pick it up tomorrow, if I can actually find it in that barn...

Roll-Monroe-Co

FreeSpirit, you seem to be a junk magnet. No offense. I had the same, er, virtue when i started getting into bikes. Collected a lot of total garbage until I, er, learned some thing and started collecting partial garbage.

But tinkering with those was how I learned to wrench.

Anyway, if it were easy to come by our dream bikes, you wouldn't hear us grouches grousing so much (#$$%^&! e-bay!).

My sense is that columbia has been making consistently crappy bikes for multiple generations. However, if that one has some family connections, there's nothing wrong with fixing it up.

Eric

FreeSpirit10

From what I've been reading, it's better than the others that I've encountered so far. Nonetheless, it's a pity that I can't seem to find anything better.

I regularly check craigslist, and I pull over to look at bikes in the trash when I see them. I've just been having very bad luck. If I saw a good bike in need of repairs, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. The problem is, that hasn't happened to me yet.

I've read that some people actually like the Columbia Tourist line, so it's got one up on the Free Spirit. LOL

FreeSpirit10

Can someone at least reassure me that a Columbia Tourist 5 speed is better than a Free Spirit 10 speed? (Or am I just fooling myself here?) I'd like some incentive to fix it, and I'd like to think of it as an "upgrade" if possible.

Does anyone have some handy tips for finding more valuable vintage bikes?

miamijim

If you want a fun project pick up a mid 70's French bike.

miamijim

Columiba-Huffy-Murray-Free Spirit = Yugo-Yugo-Yugo-Yugo

FreeSpirit10

Um... Yeah.... I wish I could....

Edit: ( I had previously removed a comment regarding whether the lugged frame construction on the Vornado made any difference. ) Just for the record, so mickey85's post makes more sense.

mickey85

Lugged frames don't mean a lot. There are a lot of crap from the 60's and 70's that are lugged. Heck, the bottom end Raleigh (you know, the 40 lb "lightweights) are lugged.

The Columbia Tourist is a decent bike, if you're seriously wanting to stay with stuff like this. A lot of people will dig on it, but it's reliable, easy to maintain, and bombproof. I'd say that it's probably like the Raleigh Sports's bastard cousin. Not quite as good, but it'll do all the same things.

Where are you located?

FreeSpirit10

Yeah, I had just enough time to figure that out and remove it from my post. (Oops.)

Thanks for the reassuring words on the Columbia Tourist.

I'm in the Rochester, NY area.

mickey85

Here's some bikes from your CL. Don't know your budget or size, but I'd take that Raleigh GP in a heartbeat. mmm...

https://rochester.craigslist.org/bik/1702165117.html

https://rochester.craigslist.org/bik/1701231626.html

https://rochester.craigslist.org/bik/1700828350.html

The last is basically your Columbia rebadged.

curbtender

See if this Raliegh is still around

https://rochester.craigslist.org/bik/1695075460.html

PostingID: 1695075460

FreeSpirit10

Is $50 a good deal for that one? I can't tell what model it is, and $50 is a lot for me right now. I would probably be willing to buy it if I thought it was a good deal, but I don't know whether it is or not.

Edit: I did some more research, and it looks like a good deal. I emailed him asking for some more info about availability year, model, etc.

shopgirl

The Raleigh looks pretty good, though I'm not too familiar with Raleighs and can't tell what model that one is. If it's not heavily rusted and the wheels are in salvageable shape, I'd say it'd be a good one to learn on. If that were posted in my area the seller would probably be asking 3-4 times that price.

shopgirl

By the way, I sympathize with that "new project itch."

FreeSpirit10

I'm on break from college. The schoolwork keeps me busy, but whenever I get some free time I need to find something to work on asap. I like fixing things. Maybe that's why I put up with cheap bikes.

FreeSpirit10

Thanks for that. I guess I missed that post. I saw all of those, except for the last one, the Schwinn. I like the looks of that project. Maybe I'll call about that one if the Raleigh that curbtender showed me is already gone. They both fit within the reach of my meager budget for hobbies.

FreeSpirit10

Well, I got a response. It's too tall for me. The seller is about my height and has trouble getting onto the bike. (It's not like I'm short or anything!)

I think I'll just work on the Columbia for now. See what turns up in the meantime.