Originally Posted by tarwheel (Post 18743182)

I've seen some VO frames in person and they have nice welds and paint jobs. They are a reasonable value compared to other options for relatively inexpensive steel frames. My only beef is their geometries. All of their frames have extremely short head tubes, which I don't understand for bikes intended for touring, randonneuring and commuting. I couldn't ride any of their frames without a large stack of spacers above the head tube. However, if you like your bikes set up with a large saddle to handlebar drop -- or don't mind a stack of spacers -- they are nice.