Is this Classic? I'm sure it's vintage.
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What you have there is a very nice bicycle that will someday be considered classic... folks will ooh and ahh over the fact it is an early GT road bike with early brifters.
Wait... some folks are already doing that.
The pre Pacific GT's are really nice bikes... Gt really really overbuilt everything and their triple triangle, although not unique, does set them apart.
If you go back in time you will see that many builders used a triple triangle and the builder I work with was using this 25 years ago and had never seen a GT but drew from a time much farther back.
Wait... some folks are already doing that.
The pre Pacific GT's are really nice bikes... Gt really really overbuilt everything and their triple triangle, although not unique, does set them apart.
If you go back in time you will see that many builders used a triple triangle and the builder I work with was using this 25 years ago and had never seen a GT but drew from a time much farther back.
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I really like your bike, a lot. But anything that starts with a 1990s as far as date, is not vintage. So then the question is to whether it is classic. Modern bikes that "qualify" for classic IMHO have a few traits.
1. A really desirable brand (Colnago, EM, etc).
2. Not required, but preferably a lugged steel frame.
I have a similar era bike, a steel 1995 Fuji Roubaix. All Shimano eight speed 105 STI. Not vintage, not classic, but a nice bike nonetheless.
1. A really desirable brand (Colnago, EM, etc).
2. Not required, but preferably a lugged steel frame.
I have a similar era bike, a steel 1995 Fuji Roubaix. All Shimano eight speed 105 STI. Not vintage, not classic, but a nice bike nonetheless.
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This makes me laugh, and as someone who dealt in "vintage" stuff for a long time, it's less true than you think. My wife once brought home a bunch of old spice tins from an estate sale. Nothing very old, just the McCormick stuff that most of our mothers bought - I wanted to toss them, but I'll be damned if those didn't sell like hotcakes. After that, we made sure to raid the spice cabinet of every estate sale we went to.
So if we go on to "classic" cars - I went to a classic car show the other day, and there was (I swear to God) a completely restored Gremlin.
I don't know that anyone ever desired a Gremlin - but it was the car that had the most admirers, as far as I could see. Classic?
Obvioulsy "classic" is in the eye of the beholder, and there is no accounting for taste, obviously.
So if we go on to "classic" cars - I went to a classic car show the other day, and there was (I swear to God) a completely restored Gremlin.
I don't know that anyone ever desired a Gremlin - but it was the car that had the most admirers, as far as I could see. Classic?
Obvioulsy "classic" is in the eye of the beholder, and there is no accounting for taste, obviously.
Back to the GT.
We are getting close to the point where Brifter bikes are going to start being of a age appropriate to this forum. Early Brifrifters like RSX and 600 tri's ARE going to be a part of this forum more frequently very soon. There is already a thread here about upgrading older frames to them that is very popular thread. I like Brifters and my main commuters have them. They are wonderful in that they are in your hands and you can shift up or down while standing and powering a hill or away from a light. I feel more confident with them in heavy traffic when I don't have to take my hands off the bars. My casual Sunday riders, yeah I like the down tube or bar end shifters are fun but my daily drivers I will take the brifters over them any day.
There has been many referenced to this being more of a home for "Steel" but the fact is Manufactures like Klein and Cannondale have many bikes that are age appropriate here and there are more and more threads popping up dedicated to some of the Aluminum bikes. Honestly 2 years ago when I first joined it almost seems a sin to talk about aluminum bikes here and that has passed.
The Carbon bikes I think may be the breaking point and one of the biggest reasons is eventually they break and repairing them is not a option in many cases. The materail is weakend by scratches and UV. Manufactures are already putting age disclaimers on carbon forks and bars. I think they just wont stand the test of time because the materiel gets weak with age. I sure look forward to buying broken carbon bikes to strip the high end drive trains including brifters from them.
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My opinion:
Neither classic nor vintage, but regardless, C&V is the place to post it. You'd be laughed right out of the Roadie forum.
I like it.
Neither classic nor vintage, but regardless, C&V is the place to post it. You'd be laughed right out of the Roadie forum.
I like it.
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This makes me laugh, and as someone who dealt in "vintage" stuff for a long time, it's less true than you think. My wife once brought home a bunch of old spice tins from an estate sale. Nothing very old, just the McCormick stuff that most of our mothers bought - I wanted to toss them, but I'll be damned if those didn't sell like hotcakes. After that, we made sure to raid the spice cabinet of every estate sale we went to.
So if we go on to "classic" cars - I went to a classic car show the other day, and there was (I swear to God) a completely restored Gremlin.
I don't know that anyone ever desired a Gremlin - but it was the car that had the most admirers, as far as I could see. Classic?
Obvioulsy "classic" is in the eye of the beholder, and there is no accounting for taste, obviously.
So if we go on to "classic" cars - I went to a classic car show the other day, and there was (I swear to God) a completely restored Gremlin.
I don't know that anyone ever desired a Gremlin - but it was the car that had the most admirers, as far as I could see. Classic?
Obvioulsy "classic" is in the eye of the beholder, and there is no accounting for taste, obviously.
At the last show I was at there were lines of serious Detroit metal from the '60s but all the attention was on a BMW Isetta and a mid-80's Toyota truck converted to electric power. The former was a joke when it was released and the later as common as a department store bike, but in an unusual form.
I bought a Free Spirit 10-speed recently and have had a lot of interest in it from a friend because he had one exactly like it as his first bike. There's nothing remarkable about the bike itself, but it comes with a lot of memories. Likewise, someday someone will pick up one of these GTs and reminisce when it was more than just a label slapped on a generic bike.
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For me, 25+ old bike moded with brifters = still C&V.
Bikes that come with brifters from the get go = not C&V.
Quill stem or not.
Bikes that come with brifters from the get go = not C&V.
Quill stem or not.
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As in fire arms being old doesnt turn an item into a classic.It just becomes vintage or "old".Many sellers use "vintage" instead of "old' to lure uninformed into thinking they hit gold.Anything ever made has someone who collects it.Still doesnt make it a classic,maybe at best a collectable.That opens a whole new debate.If you enjoy collecting something ,do it.Classics mostly start out as something special and retain that status and become more desirable with age.
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