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tugrul 09-20-10 08:15 PM

$1950.50 at 15 minutes...

afilado 09-20-10 08:18 PM

Eddie Merckx and the Ebay seller are laughing all the way to the bank. Sizzle sells.

J


Originally Posted by gomango (Post 11497249)
Nope.

You are dead wrong.

These are fabulous, worthy bikes.

After putting on close to 400 miles in the last three weeks on my EM Century, the love affair is still there.

Have you ridden a Merckx Leader? Incredible frameset in my opinion.

Nothing wrong with a Circuit mind you. They ride well.

They just aren't how I choose to use my saddle time.


junkfoodjunkie 09-20-10 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy (Post 11497325)
Jake, once again. not the same. The auction bike is earlier. Show me another early Eddy with top of the bb routing going for less, and then we can compare apples to apples.

It is just my frugal side speaking, I am not much of a collector.
I realize there is a reason for the spike in price. Any one bidding can do an ebay search like I did, so I figured there was a difference between the two.
I am just saying I would rather have the less desirable orange in this case because I am sure it has a fantastic ride :thumb:.

-Jake

afilado 09-20-10 08:23 PM

Of course not.

Did that bike - that decal - race on the tour?

J




Originally Posted by norskagent (Post 11497166)
schwinn circuits raced in the tour?


canyoneagle 09-20-10 08:27 PM

I bet all of us are watching the last 3 minutes elapse right now.....

canyoneagle 09-20-10 08:31 PM

LOL! Nearly $2,500. Yikes!

afilado 09-20-10 08:34 PM

I thought we were talking about the Ebay bike. I stand by my statement.

J



Originally Posted by gomango (Post 11497249)
Nope.

You are dead wrong.

These are fabulous, worthy bikes.

After putting on close to 400 miles in the last three weeks on my EM Century, the love affair is still there.

Have you ridden a Merckx Leader? Incredible frameset in my opinion.

Nothing wrong with a Circuit mind you. They ride well.

They just aren't how I choose to use my saddle time.


afilado 09-20-10 08:37 PM

Last statement. Raise your hands. Who will spend $2500 on this bike in lieu of a fine $300 example of a 87-89 Circuit frame?

J

bigbossman 09-20-10 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by afilado (Post 11497463)
Last statement. Raise your hands. Who will spend $2500 on this bike in lieu of a fine $300 example of a 87-89 Circuit frame?

J

Me, if I had the money and wanted it. Why? Because of what it is.

afilado 09-20-10 08:44 PM

You evade the question, BBM. If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts hopping.

J



Originally Posted by bigbossman (Post 11497472)
Me, if I had the money and wanted it. Why? Because of what it is.


bigbossman 09-20-10 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by afilado (Post 11497495)
You evade the question, BBM. If frogs had wings they wouldn't bumps their butts hopping.

J

What's the question? If both were sitting in front of me, and both were the right size, I'd take the Merckx and pay the money.

afilado 09-20-10 08:54 PM

There you go with "if" again. The question is clear.

You'd pay $2500 for that particular bike in your size? With the damage shown?

Not only is the auction full of emotion, so is this thread.

J


Originally Posted by bigbossman (Post 11497530)
What's the question? If both were sitting in front of me, and both were the right size, I'd take the Merckx and pay the money.


jtgotsjets 09-20-10 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by norskagent (Post 11497166)
schwinn circuits raced in the tour?

Neither did any of us.

mazdaspeed 09-20-10 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by afilado (Post 11497463)
Last statement. Raise your hands. Who will spend $2500 on this bike in lieu of a fine $300 example of a 87-89 Circuit frame?

J

Having owned a couple of columbus tubed schwinns, I can say that they are very nice and underrated/underpriced for what they are.

That said, an EM like that one is just on another level. The reason it sold for so much is because there are lots of experienced cyclists that, someday, want to build a steel bike. They will buy the best steel frame they can and not really care how much they pay. Yes $2400 for that frame is a lot, let's call it $2700 with a fresh paint job.

Say you already have a specialized tarmac and who knows what else, and just want the best steel frame money can buy, these are the frames you look at.

That or you have some collector in Japan snatching stuff like this up.

Buying a circuit over an EM would be like buying a mitsubishi evo instead of a ferrari f360. Sure, it's almost as good in most measurable ways and costs significantly less, but if you have the extra money, why?

grifone37 09-20-10 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by afilado (Post 11497463)
Last statement. Raise your hands. Who will spend $2500 on this bike in lieu of a fine $300 example of a 87-89 Circuit frame?

J

Let us not forget, we belong to a forum to which members routinely brag about their dumpster finds and complain about the price of extremely rare parts made of unobtainium. Probably not the best place to be discussing the "value" of a collectable bicycle, regardless of its pedigree or history.

If you have the money and want the bike, then buy it. If not, move down the block to the next dumpster and see what it has to offer.

Mike Mills 09-20-10 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Chombi (Post 11496718)
At that price it should at least be perfect, NOS, MIB,...etc...., but with that rust on the top tube and under the fork crown, it's way way overpriced IMO.
I dunno, In these days where many cyclists buy new bikes at $3K and up without flinching, maybe we C&Vers just lost touch with where the value of bikes are now with people??

Chombi


No, people have lost touch with the value of the dollar.

afilado 09-20-10 09:23 PM

Of course.

Except. I would like for someone to define what "another level" is. As far as I can tell it simply means "I like it better". Or, a bunch of other people 'like it better" so I'll go along with the crowd.

And if one is careful, one could see that I never compared a Circuit with a Merckx in any respect.

J



QUOTE=mazdaspeed;11497636]Having owned a couple of columbus tubed schwinns, I can say that they are very nice and underrated/underpriced for what they are.

That said, an EM like that one is just on another level. The reason it sold for so much is because there are lots of experienced cyclists that, someday, want to build a steel bike. They will buy the best steel frame they can and not really care how much they pay. Yes $2400 for that frame is a lot, let's call it $2700 with a fresh paint job.

Say you already have a specialized tarmac and who knows what else, and just want the best steel frame money can buy, these are the frames you look at.

That or you have some collector in Japan snatching stuff like this up.

Buying a circuit over an EM would be like buying a mitsubishi evo instead of a ferrari f360. Sure, it's almost as good in most measurable ways and costs significantly less, but if you have the extra money, why?[/QUOTE]

canyoneagle 09-20-10 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by mazdaspeed (Post 11497636)
let's call it $2700 with a fresh paint job.

Hang on a sec.... lemme get my snack.....

mazdaspeed 09-20-10 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by afilado (Post 11497727)

And if one is careful, one could see that I never compared a Circuit with a Merckx in any respect.

Come on...

sciencemonster 09-20-10 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by mazdaspeed (Post 11497857)
Come on...

He compared the EM to a Schwinn AND a pile of money.

You can keep the Schwinn...I'll take the pile of money.

afilado 09-20-10 09:59 PM

Explain.

J


Originally Posted by mazdaspeed (Post 11497857)
Come on...


mazdaspeed 09-20-10 10:05 PM

I'm not getting sucked into this. The elephant in the room here is the simple fact that most of us can't afford $2400 to spend on a frame, but the ones that can are saying they would buy it over a cheaper, but still nice frame.

bigbossman 09-20-10 10:09 PM

Nope - you're right. Not with that damage.

But I wouldn't buy the Schwinn, either - even if it was perfect. I'd just keep looking.

gomango 09-20-10 10:18 PM

Here's the deal.

Doesn't matter if the purchase was speculation or if they used to have one way back when.

They wanted the EM at any price.

That's how the market works.

We'll go around and around for another day on this thread, but ultimately, somebody won the bike, and that was the frame's worth to them.

I like it when some of these prices pop up there again.

Helps me eventually when I clean out the bike attic and send another one on their way. :)

afilado 09-20-10 10:19 PM

Not a single HONEST man on this forum has said he would unequivocally pay $2500 for the Ebay bike in question.

J


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