Gios frame: Super Record or Professional?
10-17-10 | 07:10 PM
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Gios frame: Super Record or Professional?
I'm looking at a Gios frame a friend has for sale, and I have some questions about which model it is.
He believes it to be a mid-eighties Super Record, and that's what the decals say, but here are the frame details, some of which seem contradictory:
1. The top ends of the seat stays are not engraved - Professional stays have GIOS at the top.
2. There is no FD hanger - Professional has a braze on hanger.
3. There is no engraving on the head tube lugs - Professional says GIOS on the front of the HT lugs.
So far, it says Super Record. But:
4. Rear dropouts are drilled - a feature only found on Professional?
5. Rear brake cable guide is internal, on the top of the TT - again, only found on Professional?
The bike has been painted - blue, but not the official cobalt blue, and we're pretty sure that the forks are from a Professional - chrome (but painted blue), sloped crown with GT engraving. The bottom bracket looks like this (GT cutout, with 4 cutouts at corners) except that the cable guides are underneath, not on top of the BB.
So - I look forward to hearing from those with more knowledge than I about this.
Thanks.
He believes it to be a mid-eighties Super Record, and that's what the decals say, but here are the frame details, some of which seem contradictory:
1. The top ends of the seat stays are not engraved - Professional stays have GIOS at the top.
2. There is no FD hanger - Professional has a braze on hanger.
3. There is no engraving on the head tube lugs - Professional says GIOS on the front of the HT lugs.
So far, it says Super Record. But:
4. Rear dropouts are drilled - a feature only found on Professional?
5. Rear brake cable guide is internal, on the top of the TT - again, only found on Professional?
The bike has been painted - blue, but not the official cobalt blue, and we're pretty sure that the forks are from a Professional - chrome (but painted blue), sloped crown with GT engraving. The bottom bracket looks like this (GT cutout, with 4 cutouts at corners) except that the cable guides are underneath, not on top of the BB.
So - I look forward to hearing from those with more knowledge than I about this.
Thanks.
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10-17-10 | 09:05 PM
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I'm looking at a Gios frame a friend has for sale, and I have some questions about which model it is.
He believes it to be a mid-eighties Super Record, and that's what the decals say, but here are the frame details, some of which seem contradictory:
1. The top ends of the seat stays are not engraved - Professional stays have GIOS at the top.
2. There is no FD hanger - Professional has a braze on hanger.
3. There is no engraving on the head tube lugs - Professional says GIOS on the front of the HT lugs.
So far, it says Super Record. But:
4. Rear dropouts are drilled - a feature only found on Professional?
5. Rear brake cable guide is internal, on the top of the TT - again, only found on Professional?
The bike has been painted - blue, but not the official cobalt blue, and we're pretty sure that the forks are from a Professional - chrome (but painted blue), sloped crown with GT engraving. The bottom bracket looks like this (GT cutout, with 4 cutouts at corners) except that the cable guides are underneath, not on top of the BB.
So - I look forward to hearing from those with more knowledge than I about this.
Thanks.
He believes it to be a mid-eighties Super Record, and that's what the decals say, but here are the frame details, some of which seem contradictory:
1. The top ends of the seat stays are not engraved - Professional stays have GIOS at the top.
2. There is no FD hanger - Professional has a braze on hanger.
3. There is no engraving on the head tube lugs - Professional says GIOS on the front of the HT lugs.
So far, it says Super Record. But:
4. Rear dropouts are drilled - a feature only found on Professional?
5. Rear brake cable guide is internal, on the top of the TT - again, only found on Professional?
The bike has been painted - blue, but not the official cobalt blue, and we're pretty sure that the forks are from a Professional - chrome (but painted blue), sloped crown with GT engraving. The bottom bracket looks like this (GT cutout, with 4 cutouts at corners) except that the cable guides are underneath, not on top of the BB.
So - I look forward to hearing from those with more knowledge than I about this.
Thanks.
Drop-outs are drilled on the Super Record.
If it has the "Gt" shell and "Gt" crown, I'd say a 70's Super Record re-worked for internal brake routing, and under BB routing at time of re-paint. A Professional would definitely not have the "Gt" shell.
10-17-10 | 11:02 PM
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Definately a Super Record - the GT cutout, drillings in the rear dropouts (which, BTW, are tapped for the Campy Portacatena chain keeper) and fork crown tell the story. The fork was most likely fully chromed in it's original guise.
The aero routing for the rear brake cable has got to be a later modification.
Sweet looking frame that should build up into a great-looking and riding bike!
The aero routing for the rear brake cable has got to be a later modification.
Sweet looking frame that should build up into a great-looking and riding bike!
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