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The frame doesn't fit pass-around game

Old 12-26-10, 03:24 PM
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The frame doesn't fit pass-around game

I imagined this as a version of the "Box O'Crap" game with slightly different rules... but you can work it any way that works for you.

Post a frame you don't want. Hope someone posts one you do want. Two-way trades, three-way trades, fifteen-way trades, whatever you want. But all parties should agree to all stages of the trade before sending anything.

My submissions... deleted. I gave them to friends.

Edit: We now have a SPREADSHEET giving the dimensions of a frame that would fit, and going into some detail about the frame(s) we're hoping to be rid of. I didn't make the spreadsheet, we have Dashuaigeh to thank for that. SouthPawBoston tweaked it a little. So did I. Suggestions are welcome!

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Dang... now I need a frame that does not fit me.
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May I ask for a clarification?

What if I don't know what she is?

I mean, I know it is a vintage MTB frame, but past that, I'm clueless.

Can I still play if I post pics?
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-- traded to frogbutter --

Yellow Botteccia. There's a blizzard between me and taking measurements at the moment, but I'd very happily trade it for something sized a bit more like what's hanging above it!

The stickers are a little rough. Still have the super narrow drops (and the orig steel wheels) to throw in.

I believe the chrome fork lugs could be brought back to something decent.

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How about a '71 International frame, size about 20.5" to 21" ctc, for something similar in a 56cm. There is a small dent in the downtube by the bottom bracket, and fork chrome not very good.
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Originally Posted by gomango
May I ask for a clarification?

What if I don't know what she is?

I mean, I know it is a vintage MTB frame, but past that, I'm clueless.

Can I still play if I post pics?
As far as I'm concerned, anyone can play. My idea is, put a frame on the table. Make someone want it. Whatever it takes to make someone want it, be it photos, dimensions, poetry, or bribery, is fine with me.
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I have Tommaso Super Record in 61cm frame that i would would be willing to trade for a Bianchi or another italian bike in 58 cm . the bike rides awesome and has the Shimano Sante grouping value approx. 500-600 $ iam open to any offers ! here is a pic!
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I'm tempted but my "don't fit frames" kinda do fit and provide a different riding experience.

Edit: On second thought I'll keep watching.

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I would be willing to trade this Shogun 58cm frame for a similar touring frame in 61-62cm.



Tange 2 DB seamless chromoly. Frame was stripped, powder coated and frame-saver treated.
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I gotta crusty green 21" Raleigh Sport mens and and a crusty silver ladies sport that you can have. I don't want anything back.
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I was getting ready to build this up as a 10 speed SRAM and toss it on CL. 53X54 c-c Columbus SL, no ding/dents, usual paint blems:

https://picasaweb.google.com/zmudshark/ConcordeGavina#



Looking for campy 10 speed components. Ergo's, cassettes, etc. or FRNs.

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Cool game! I have an '87 Trek Elance that's a bit on the small side for me: battleship grey, Reynolds 531 main triangle and cro-moly steel otherwise, a dent on the downtube. It's 57cm square (seat tube c-t; top tube c-c). I'd trade for something 58-60cm seat tube with a top tube no longer than 57 c-c.

Bike built up as a 650B machine:


That dent:


More pics here: https://picasaweb.google.com/lerner.n/Trek330Elance650B#

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I have a 62 cm Miyata Nine Twelve in very nice shape that I'd trade for something comparable a cm or two bigger. I bought it as a bare frame and built it up with mostly Suntour Cyclone parts. Would prefer to deal just the frame, not the whole bike.
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Originally Posted by rhm
Son of the BOCPAG game, slightly different rules.

Post a frame you don't want. Hope someone posts one you do want. Two-way trades, three-way trades, fifteen-way trades, whatever you want. But all parties should agree to all stages of the trade before sending anything.

My submission: 1994? Bianchi Eros. Made in Japan. Lugged frame with Ishiwatta something-or-other tubing. Unicrown fork. Needs paint. Vertical dropouts, so no good in case you want a fixie. 55 cm seat tube. 56 cm top tube.
it's not usually an issue, but we should probably be really careful in this to define whether seat tube length is center to center, center to top of top tube, or center to top of seat tube. Actually, even if your frame is "sized" based on center to top of seat tube, like the vintage Masis are, it probably shouldn't be quoted, since it's hard to tell from this if the frame will fit.

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You Boston gents: I'd trade my pink Colnago frame (55cm TT c-t-c and 55.5cm ST c-t-t) and extras (NR post, Cinelli 1R stem and Giro d'Italia bars, turbo repro) for a 650B IGH drop bar 55cm TT c-t-c ride. I need a winter bike bad.
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I've got a 25" 1988 Schwinn Voyageur in absolutely terrific condition. I lusted after this damn thing and now I'm just not content with the length-fit of the top tube for my personal geometry. I would consider a trade for an equivalent value 58 or 60cm rando-style bike, which is really more my riding style in the first place. PM for details.

Pending final details, a trade has been tentatively arranged.




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Originally Posted by AZORCH
I've got a 25" 1988 Schwinn Voyageur in absolutely terrific condition. I lusted after this damn thing and now I'm just not content with the length-fit of the top tube for my personal geometry. I would consider a trade for an equivalent value 58 or 60cm rando-style bike, which is really more my riding style in the first place. PM for details.



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I have three.
22inch Trek 930. Frame is in avg. condition. Chipping etc. No dents. True Temper 4130.
Ross Paragon, 58cm in good condition. Chipping etc. No dents.
Holdsworth Equipe 56cm Dent in the top tube fair condition. Previous owner claims the seat post is stuck.

Even though I may be breaking the rules, I am also willing to trade for a set of 130mm spaced wheels 36 hole.
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I have a Raleigh Technium 450 frame/fork. 53.5 seat tube, 57.5 top tube. Come with Sakae crank, bb, headset and SIS f/r derailleurs and dt shifters.

Looking for something around the same size or smaller.
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I have a NOS Schwinn Super Sport LE road bike frame, size "L", which I would guess is like a 59-60cm. Slightly sloped top tube, replaceable der hanger (I have the correct one) never built up. Never been able to find anything out about this frame (including from Schwinn and the shop that sold it to me) other than it was from a line of frames they sold several years ago only to LBS, not to dept. stores. Headbadge and seat tube badge, made in China, aluminum, and now you know as much as I do. Cable stops at the upper end of the DT, 130 spacing. Black and silver and in storage, so no pics immediately at hand. Have an (also new) SE fork to go along with it, fork is root beer colored but the threadless stem is long enough to work with the frame, which requires an integrated headset. I suspect this would make a pretty nice bike once built up but would require STI's or thumbies or bar ends.

Also have a 1990 Cannondale M400, red, with the correct fork. At least I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Needs a respray/powder coat but appears dent free and straight. Would make a nice tourer or use it for a 'cross bike. It's a shortie- with 700C wheels it would build up to about 54cm. Takes V-brakes or cantilevers or whatever else fits on those stubs that are welded/brazed to the seat stays and front fork. 130mm spacing. Also in storage but can dig it out and post pics for anyone who might be interested.

Bought both of these when I was feeling pretty frisky and experimental, but have since realized I'm strictly a DT shifter/road bike/caliper brake kinda guy. Will trade one (or preferably both) for any reasonable frame 58cm or smaller in dent-free condition.
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I forgot to mention that I also have a mid-80's Puch Odyssey that is nearly a time-capsule. It's a large frame - 60cm c-c. Send me a PM if this one is of interest and I'll get you details and photo.
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It fits me but I already have a hand built steel mtb that I am rather fond of and don't need 2 of them...

1988 Kona Explosif (first year) frame in a 44cm / 17 inch frame with a 58cm tt that has been professionally bead blasted and powdercoated.

Believe the frame is Tange Infinity by the seat tube shape and the colour is a close match to the original.


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I have a Raleigh Super Tourer 24.5 inch and would like a 22.5 or 23.5 must be the same model from 1973/75
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Originally Posted by southpawboston
PM sent!
Right on. You two should trade!
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I"ll play. 17" (IIRC - can measure later... but it's tiny) Bianchi Ocelot MTB. Decent paint, no dents. Stuck crankset (the threads on the drive side pulled out when I put the puller to it). Can cut off the BB if wanted. I'd trade for a larger (20+") MTB frame or 27" wheeled 58-60cm sport-touring-esque road frame
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