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darkG 02-07-22 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by darkG (Post 22381970)
serial 851825

I finally managed some images! Can't link the album properly, sorry about that. This should work though; please add the "www" before the dot:

.bikeforums.net/g/album/23975970

T-Mar 02-07-22 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by EvanAL (Post 22396855)
Hello,

Was referred here from retrobike. Looking for some help in ID ing my Martini Racing mtb. Canti hanger and Nivacrom EL. "51" on one side and "C965" on the other side of the bb shell.

Thanks in advance! I see some pretty sweet rides here!

The only photo currently in EvanAL's galley is a BB pic (attached). It shows what is appears to be a Superset 2 shell. That, in conjunction with Columbus EL, puts it no earlier than a 1991 model year. Upper end, based on the 1" steerer tube would be circa 1996. Pending additonal photos it it be interersting to know if the the frame has the Campione Del Mondo decal, threaded or non-threaded steerer tube and Bianchi's hybrid half lug/TIG welded SuperLug construction (attached). All these will help to narrow down the range, somewhat.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2ad6c90897.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e96c3ce17d.jpg

T-Mar 02-07-22 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by darkG (Post 22401612)
I finally managed some images! Can't link the album properly, sorry about that. This should work though; please add the "www" before the dot:

.bikeforums.net/g/album/23975970

Based on the 1996 MTB World Championship decal, it would be no earlier than a 1997 model, as these took place September 18-19 in Cairns, Australia. However, based on the serial number, I'd be leaning towards 1998. Also, Bianchi didn't market aluminum, hardtail, ATB model in 1997, at least in the Canada and USA. The frame (obviously rebuilt) is reminiscent of the USA's 1998 AL Mega model but without the mega downtube and suspension fork. Unfortunately, there is lots of market to market variation with Bianchi. Link to photo album; https://www.bikeforums.net/g/user/549368

Stormy85 02-07-22 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 22389042)
I use it somewhat out of context or maybe incorrectly. In the gun world, especially military arms, it was used to to refer to a marking made in a stock or other part by a quality inspector. I use it to refer to frame embellishments on stay caps forks and other places.

https://www.bikeforums.net/attachmen...1&d=1521748403

Sadly without these many many quality frames go unknown and unloved :(


Originally Posted by T-Mar (Post 22388957)
While the paint may have been factory applied, the colour may have chosen by the local importer/distributor. Colours often vary from market to market, based on local preferences. A classic example of this is the influence of the Miami Vice televison show on USA fashion trends in the late 1980s. It's palette of pastel colours such as pale pink, teal, peach and fushia spilled over into the bicycle industry, gving us bicycle frames in these colours. Bianchi even relented to offering a more muted version of their classic Celeste, called Mint Celeste. However, this trend was far less evident in foreign markets where the show was not televised.

In some rare cases, importers/distributors even had the painting done by themselves or local contractors. This could happen if the importer/distributor was unsatisfied with the workmanship of factory painting, such as case with Ten Speed Drive in the USA and some of it's Italian manufacturers. Also, performing more operations locally could lower import duties, to the extent that some performed their own component installtion and even frame painting.

Thanks for the help so far. I wanted to add an extra tidbit. So I managed to strip the bike and was hoping to use the headset for a different build but was sorely disappointed. For some reason it was way too big so I did some research and was quite surprised that the headset is a JIS EC29 type headset. This bike is truly a mystery. An Italian bike with an Italian bottom bracket yet a Japanese headset? Any thoughts on this or is this rather common on vintage Bianchis?

EvanAL 02-07-22 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by T-Mar (Post 22401692)
The only photo currently in EvanAL's galley is a BB pic (attached). It shows what is appears to be a Superset 2 shell. That, in conjunction with Columbus EL, puts it no earlier than a 1991 model year. Upper end, based on the 1" steerer tube would be circa 1996. Pending additonal photos it it be interersting to know if the the frame has the Campione Del Mondo decal, threaded or non-threaded steerer tube and Bianchi's hybrid half lug/TIG welded SuperLug construction (attached). All these will help to narrow down the range, somewhat.

I just learned from your post that you can see my albums! Ill try to fill it some tonight! Thanks!

Wheelgunner2 02-07-22 09:31 PM

I have a Bianchi Sport SS. Made in Japan, Ishiwata Magny tubing, Shimano Golden Arrow group. Has Piaggio decals. S/N = CS305127. I believe it’s a 1983 model, though I have seen some references that indicate it could be a 1984 serial number. Appears all original other than the tires. I haven’t been able to find out much about the Sport SS model, but it sure rides nicely! Hopefully this adds another Bianchi serial number datapoint to the list.

EvanAL 02-07-22 09:35 PM

Album
 
Ok. I cant even post a link yet so I guess someone would have to look at my album the old fashioned way.

I do have a campione del monde sticker.

T-Mar 02-08-22 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Wheelgunner2 (Post 22402750)
I have a Bianchi Sport SS. Made in Japan, Ishiwata Magny tubing, Shimano Golden Arrow group. Has Piaggio decals. S/N = CS305127. I believe it’s a 1983 model, though I have seen some references that indicate it could be a 1984 serial number. Appears all original other than the tires. I haven’t been able to find out much about the Sport SS model, but it sure rides nicely! Hopefully this adds another Bianchi serial number datapoint to the list.

The frame was manufactured in Japan during March 1983. That's about a half year prior to when they would normally start building the 1984 models. so the odds of it not being a 1983 model are extremely small.

T-Mar 02-08-22 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by EvanAL (Post 22402754)
Ok. I cant even post a link yet so I guess someone would have to look at my album the old fashioned way.

I do have a campione del monde sticker.

The additonal photos are a big help. It has the Superlug technology, which was introduced for the 1994 model year and the last model year for that style of Campione del Mondo decal on Bianchi ATBs was 1996, as the Bianchi ATBs got their own specifc World Championship decal for the 1997 model year, after a victory in the fall of 1996. So, we're looking at 1994-1996.

However, things get complicated after that. There were no Columbus EL ATBs catalogued in 1994, at least in the USA. In 1995 and 1996 there was the Grizzly RC and Denali RC but both used suspsension forks and threadless headsets. However, the frames themselves are an excellent match, outside of the fact that they weren't catalogued in the Martini livery, at least in the USA. However, Martini was sponsoring Bianchi riders at leastas early as 1995, so both 1995 and 1996 are possibilities.

So, it would appear to be a a top of the line hardtail model from Reparto Corse, circa 1995-1996, though likely a European model and possibly with a replacement fork and some replacement components.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...00aa6ba7fb.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...48ed00b406.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fa154a31e4.jpg

Wheelgunner2 02-08-22 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by T-Mar (Post 22402932)
The frame was manufactured in Japan during March 1983. That's about a half year prior to when they would normally start building the 1984 models. so the odds of it not being a 1983 model are extremely small.

Thanks T-Mar for confirming that my Bianchi is, in fact, a 1983 model. I had always thought that was the case, but wasn't 100% sure.

darkG 02-09-22 12:46 PM

I noticed that on many photos Bianchis have the "front logo" as a sticker, or what you'd call it, while there is sometimes instead a plaque. Maybe this can help in the narrowing of years, models or variants. /added mine as an example to album/
EDIT oh yes, and thanks for your input T-Mar!

EvanAL 02-11-22 08:05 AM

Close
 
Well it sounds like 95-96 then. T-Mar makes good arguments for it!

Thanks all!

I am surprised it is so recent as I recall shopping for my C'Dale in 1997 and 1 1/8" threadless forks were ubiquitous as were Judy SLs.

SoCaled 02-27-22 01:54 PM

what am i looking at?
 
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf07785262.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a296d6ae88.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ef7098f7a.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a3b8271c04.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...803a97a443.jpg

Edit - I put in a full price offer as soon as I saw this - got no reply, then marked sold @ $150

Bianchigirll 02-27-22 02:43 PM

Nice machine. 1986 Brava in Rubino Red.


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1c213b1c1.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...887f661e9.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a9281e4cb.jpeg

SwimmerMike 03-06-22 06:07 PM

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Early 80's Bianchi's keep following me home.

I bought this one for the seat post, but it looks like a pretty nice frame so I'm trying to get some additional information on it.

It has:

27.2 seatpost
Campy dropouts
weighs ~4.8 lbs for the 57cm frame.

It also has longer lugs than my '82 that also looked like they've been thinned.

The date stamp on the the seat lug is 2.M. I think this means it's a late '82 build.

Any thoughts on which model? And is my inte4rpretation of the year correct?

Mike

T-Mar 03-07-22 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by SwimmerMike (Post 22430616)
Early 80's Bianchi's keep following me home.


I bought this one for the seat post, but it looks like a pretty nice frame so I'm trying to get some additional information on it.


It has:


27.2 seatpost

Campy dropouts

weighs ~4.8 lbs for the 57cm frame.


It also has longer lugs than my '82 that also looked like they've been thinned.


The date stamp on the the seat lug is 2.M. I think this means it's a late '82 build.


Any thoughts on which model? And is my inte4rpretation of the year correct?


Mike

Based on the S/N it should be a 1983 model manufactured in very late 1982. The frame features point to a tretubi Columbus SL/SP frame, which was used on three models that year; the Tipo Corsa, Campione del Mondo and Campione d'Italia. Unfortunately, the frankenbike nature complicates identification. The component most likely to OEM is the headset but it does not appear to be the Campagnolo Nuovo Record spec'd on that year's Tipo Corsa and Campione del Mondo. The 1983 Campione d'Italia was spec'd with an Ofmega Competition headset.

SwimmerMike 03-07-22 01:30 PM

[MENTION=20650]T-Mar[/MENTION] thanks. The headset was a newer Campy headset, but the Bottom bracket was an Ofmega (Again, frankenbike so I figured it wasn't original). I do think the pantagraphed NR seat post is from the original bike. But no way to tell for sure. Does this help narrow it down.

T-Mar 03-07-22 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by SwimmerMike (Post 22431423)
[MENTION=20650]T-Mar[/MENTION] thanks. The headset was a newer Campy headset, but the Bottom bracket was an Ofmega (Again, frankenbike so I figured it wasn't original). I do think the pantagraphed NR seat post is from the original bike. But no way to tell for sure. Does this help narrow it down.

Unfortunately, no. All three models used the same seat post.

However, the good news is that since all three used the same frameset, you've got the flexibility to build it up three ways and three model names to choose from. The Tipo Corsa was Nuovo Record, the Campione del Mondo was Gran Sport and the Campion d'Italia was Nuovo Record derailleurs, Ofmega CX crankset and Modolo Speedy brakeset.

SwimmerMike 03-07-22 02:12 PM

[MENTION=20650]T-Mar[/MENTION] thanks. It sounds like it most likely was the Campione d'Italia based on the bottom bracket, but we will never know for sure. Hopefully these beat up early 80's Bianchi's stop following me home.

genejockey 03-07-22 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by SwimmerMike (Post 22431479)
[MENTION=20650]T-Mar[/MENTION] thanks. It sounds like it most likely was the Campione d'Italia based on the bottom bracket, but we will never know for sure. Hopefully these beat up early 80's Bianchi's stop following me home.

Is that the original paint? Looks almost like Legnano snot-green. (Sorry if I offend any Legnano fans, but, really...)

SwimmerMike 03-07-22 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22431495)
Is that the original paint? Looks almost like Legnano snot-green. (Sorry if I offend any Legnano fans, but, really...)

Nope, the original paint is Celeste. There was some overspray that was still visible on the fork and the head tube (I think).

VtwinVince 03-22-22 04:33 PM

I'm working on a ratbagged blue Sport, I believe it's a mid-80's model from Japan with Tange tubing. Serial number is located on the seat tube: BS606457. Any ideas?

T-Mar 03-23-22 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by VtwinVince (Post 22447568)
I'm working on a ratbagged blue Sport, I believe it's a mid-80's model from Japan with Tange tubing. Serial number is located on the seat tube: BS606457. Any ideas?

It's a Japanese manufactured model from February 1986.

VtwinVince 03-23-22 10:50 AM

Thanks T-Mar, that makes sense as the cranks are stamped 1985.

tsep 03-26-22 08:54 PM

modified 1960's bianchi
 
Hi all, this is one amazing thread!
I just acquired a touring bike from a keen older cyclist who raced and toured in europe back in the day.
He didn't say much about it other than the places it took him..many.
I was intrigued when he told me it was a Bianchi with Columbus tubing, but it does have Campagnolo dropouts and fork ends, and I recognised the seat stays.

Without doing too much research I think its possibly 1960's? It has had a few transformations by the look of it.
Any help much appreciated.
Serial number on the seat collarreads: #083150 and it has a #12 on the bottom bracket.
Scraping paint reveals chrome lugwork and fork crown.
sorry can't post photos yet (-10)


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