Really, REALLY Fixed Cup, Here I Come!
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Really, REALLY Fixed Cup, Here I Come!
For those of us who work on rusty old bicycles...
Saw this at Groody Bros. Bicycle Restoration Project
Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment."
Type of penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ................................ 516 pounds
WD-40 ............................ 238 pounds
PB Blaster .......................214 pounds
Liquid Wrench .............. 127 pounds
Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix......... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.
Saw this at Groody Bros. Bicycle Restoration Project
Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment."
Type of penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ................................ 516 pounds
WD-40 ............................ 238 pounds
PB Blaster .......................214 pounds
Liquid Wrench .............. 127 pounds
Kano Kroil .................... 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix......... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.
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Now that is interesting. Good stuff. I am going to try it. I do wonder what acetone will do to aluminum alloy, though.
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I just can't imagine they could get each bolt to rust the same amount to require the same amount of torque to be removed.
Though not an engineer, I am pretty impressed with what some of those guys and gals can figure out.
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Not the first time acetone/ATF came in first.
+1 to below, take precautions, as the flash point is about -4F. (Gasoline is -43 F). I can't see anyone putting it into a consumer product, at a 50/50 blend.
"Above flash point, vapor-air mixtures are explosive within flammable limits noted above. Vapors can flow along surfaces to distant ignition source and flash back. Contact with strong oxidizers may cause fire. Sealed containers may rupture when heated. This material may produce a floating fire hazard. Sensitive to static discharge."
+1 to below, take precautions, as the flash point is about -4F. (Gasoline is -43 F). I can't see anyone putting it into a consumer product, at a 50/50 blend.
"Above flash point, vapor-air mixtures are explosive within flammable limits noted above. Vapors can flow along surfaces to distant ignition source and flash back. Contact with strong oxidizers may cause fire. Sealed containers may rupture when heated. This material may produce a floating fire hazard. Sensitive to static discharge."
Last edited by wrk101; 01-08-11 at 07:27 AM.
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I'm a little incredulous that the companies producing PB Blaster, Kroil, Liquid Wrench etc would not be acutely aware of such a folksy remedy. Of course, acetone is extremely flammable, and that could be the reason for the existence of the aforesaid products.
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