Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Help identifying these Wheelsmith wheels & Mavic hubs

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Help identifying these Wheelsmith wheels & Mavic hubs

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-07-11 | 01:37 PM
  #1  
The Thin Man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,504
Likes: 497
From: Corvallis, OR
Help identifying these Wheelsmith wheels & Mavic hubs

I purchased what looks to be a NOS, Wheelsmith tubular, anodized, wheelset attached to some NOS Mavic hubs. The wheels apparently came from a early/mid 80's Battaglin.

The wheels have no markings on them except for some white, vinyl stickers indicating "Wheelsmith" and a Wheelsmith sticker with ID number. The rear wheel is spaced at 126mm and weigh 732g (rear wheel) and 690g (front wheel) respectively, (without skewers).
The Mavic hubs are both 24 holes and have no other markings except for "8808D" on bearing cover of the front hub.
The spokes are bladed, Wheelsmith spokes with alloy nipples, anodized, non-machined, early/mid Bataglian wheelset. The front is radially laced while the rear is radial and 2x.

The hubs, from what I can tell, are Les Moyeux, model 500 RD or 550 RD but I'm having a hard time nailing it down without any markings.

Can anyone tell me anything about these wheels or hubs? Any experience riding them?











Attached Images
File Type: jpg
wheels 001.jpg (47.7 KB, 110 views)
File Type: jpg
wheels 002.JPG (62.8 KB, 112 views)
File Type: jpg
wheels 003.JPG (99.3 KB, 111 views)
File Type: jpg
wheels 004.JPG (97.8 KB, 120 views)
File Type: jpg
wheels 007.JPG (60.2 KB, 99 views)
File Type: jpg
wheels 005.JPG (80.9 KB, 100 views)
The Thin Man is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 01:40 PM
  #2  
Bianchigirll's Avatar
Bianchi Goddess
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 28,962
Likes: 4,228
From: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In

Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.

the hubs are 501 I think the rims look like Open 4CD. I think you can contact Wheelsmith and give them serial number.
__________________
One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"

Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
Bianchigirll is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 02:08 PM
  #3  
The Thin Man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,504
Likes: 497
From: Corvallis, OR
Thanks, Bianchigirll. I contacted Wheelsmith and am saddened by their response:
Unfortunately we do not have old Wheelsmith records from then. They wrote everything down in notebooks. Lot of that stuff never made it here after we bought them.

Shanan Barth | Technical Service & Warranty Manager | suntech@hayesbicycle.com
The Thin Man is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 02:35 PM
  #4  
PDXaero's Avatar
French threaded
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,199
Likes: 4
From: Portland, OR.

Bikes: many

Hubs are definitely 500 series, not 501, and mavic made very few wheels in 24h drillings, I will look it up when I get home.
Off the top of my head I think they resemble Mach2 Cd2.
PDXaero is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 03:11 PM
  #5  
Bianchigirll's Avatar
Bianchi Goddess
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 28,962
Likes: 4,228
From: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In

Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.

Originally Posted by The Thin Man
Thanks, Bianchigirll. I contacted Wheelsmith and am saddened by their response:
Unfortunately we do not have old Wheelsmith records from then. They wrote everything down in notebooks. Lot of that stuff never made it here after we bought them.

Shanan Barth | Technical Service & Warranty Manager | suntech@hayesbicycle.com

that is terrible. I had a confusing run in with them a year or so ago asking about the old wheelsmith spoke caculator system.

I reread your post again but I can't find this. are they clincher or tubular?
__________________
One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"

Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
Bianchigirll is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 03:17 PM
  #6  
The Thin Man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,504
Likes: 497
From: Corvallis, OR
PDXaero - Thanks for checking! I look forward to hearing what you find out.
Bianchigirll - I asked if the Wheelsmith rep had any other avenues for me to check, but haven't heard anything back. So, I'd say that's a fairly dead end but a great suggestion by you as I hadn't thought to go back to the manufacturer. As for the wheels themselves, they are tubular.
The Thin Man is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 03:34 PM
  #7  
Chombi's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,128
Likes: 39

Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC

24 spokes, radial laced front, with semi-aero profile rims? Looks to be a nice period TT wheelset.
It's good you have those stoutly built Mavic hubs as the minimal spokage and radial lacing will need it.
Little concerned aobut the rear though...The lacing makes them sound quite delicate for a 24 spoker, but maybe the WS rims and Mavic hubs are strong enough to compensate. Last year I built up a 28 spoke wheelset with 2 cross lacing back and front with Stronglight Delta hubs and Wolber Profil 20 aero rims. I was thinking of going with similar lacing as yours but chickened out at the last minute. The 28 spoke/2 cross formula turned out to be very strong and stiff. Maybe I shouldn't have been too nerbvous about it and tried out something more exciting.....
Good luck with them and tell us how they ride!

Chombi
Chombi is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 03:39 PM
  #8  
PDXaero's Avatar
French threaded
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,199
Likes: 4
From: Portland, OR.

Bikes: many

Also, do you see any marking on the spoke head?
I can find the weight of the rim which will help me confirm if i can just Be sure about the spokes, they dont look like wheelsmiths bladed spokes nor Sapim. Probably DT?
PDXaero is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 03:42 PM
  #9  
SJX426's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,106
Likes: 2,762
From: Fredericksburg, Va

Bikes: ? Proteous, '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, 'Litespeed Catalyst'94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster

I have those hubs and really like them. Was looking for extras in 32 until I discovered the typical used price, a bit more than Campagnolo High Flange Records.
SJX426 is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 03:42 PM
  #10  
The Thin Man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,504
Likes: 497
From: Corvallis, OR
Originally Posted by PDXaero
Also, do you see any marking on the spoke head?
I'm 95% certain that they are bladed, Wheelsmith spokes. I'll double check tonight, but, I'm fairly certain.
The Thin Man is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 03:58 PM
  #11  
PDXaero's Avatar
French threaded
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,199
Likes: 4
From: Portland, OR.

Bikes: many

My calculations *push up glasses on my nose* confirm it as a Mach 2 CD 2
470g for the rim, if you measure it as 19mm wide. If it is 20 it is likely to be an araya or rigida.
And for those that are worried about these wheels, I have mavic 24h hubs with GL330 rear and Cx18 front.
similar to this wheelsmith set but almost 100g lighter for the set (with skewers).
PDXaero is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 04:42 PM
  #12  
The Thin Man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,504
Likes: 497
From: Corvallis, OR
Originally Posted by PDXaero
My calculations *push up glasses on my nose* confirm it as a Mach 2 CD
Nice work, PDX and good supporting info as well.

That's one out of two. Now if I could figure out what model these hubs are.
The Thin Man is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 04:46 PM
  #13  
PDXaero's Avatar
French threaded
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,199
Likes: 4
From: Portland, OR.

Bikes: many

500 series model 506 (but no one really can tell the difference between the 500 series)
501 are centered offset, 550 would have anodized caps. You also have quite the find with 24H hubs slotted for bladed spokes.
PDXaero is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 04:59 PM
  #14  
Bianchigirll's Avatar
Bianchi Goddess
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 28,962
Likes: 4,228
From: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In

Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.

I don't think the profile looks right for Mach2s, theses are more rounded than the Mach2s look. also don't Mach2s normally have eyelets?
__________________
One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"

Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
Bianchigirll is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 05:15 PM
  #15  
The Thin Man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,504
Likes: 497
From: Corvallis, OR
Originally Posted by PDXaero
500 series model 506 (but no one really can tell the difference between the 500 series)
501 are centered offset, 550 would have anodized caps.
I'm impressed, PDX. I have no idea how, even with the small bits of evidence, you are nailing the model numbers on these hubs. Almost every Mavic hub in the 500 to 550 series looks practically the same to me on paper.
I like the look of the wheelset as it has a sleek, sexy look to it with fantastic vintage (NOS!) parts. The only problem is, I don't have an extra machine to put them on, so I'm seriously considering selling them. We'll see though. Isn't it always a matter of time before another frame comes into our C&V lives? I'm certain it's the law of attraction.
The Thin Man is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 05:22 PM
  #16  
mazdaspeed's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,809
Likes: 7
From: WA state
Originally Posted by PDXaero
500 series model 506 (but no one really can tell the difference between the 500 series)
501 are centered offset, 550 would have anodized caps. You also have quite the find with 24H hubs slotted for bladed spokes.
What do you mean by anodized caps?
mazdaspeed is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 06:08 PM
  #17  
PDXaero's Avatar
French threaded
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,199
Likes: 4
From: Portland, OR.

Bikes: many

Originally Posted by mazdaspeed
What do you mean by anodized caps?
Disregard that, I was preempted by SSC hubs.
Now that I'm home I can show the difeerence.

500 havea dust cover behind the FW, this is more weatherproof but moves the outer bearing about 1/4" inwards compared to the 550 with an exposed bearing behind the FW
PDXaero is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 07:58 PM
  #18  
SJX426's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,106
Likes: 2,762
From: Fredericksburg, Va

Bikes: ? Proteous, '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, 'Litespeed Catalyst'94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster

Yes and try bending those axles! The axle nuts are likely Campagnolo. All of mine are.
SJX426 is offline  
Reply
Old 02-07-11 | 08:05 PM
  #19  
SJX426's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,106
Likes: 2,762
From: Fredericksburg, Va

Bikes: ? Proteous, '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, 'Litespeed Catalyst'94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster

Found this which you may have found also:

Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Mavic Hub description.jpg (100.7 KB, 113 views)
SJX426 is offline  
Reply
Old 02-08-11 | 12:26 PM
  #20  
The Thin Man's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,504
Likes: 497
From: Corvallis, OR
SJX, I did find that ad (it's linked in my original post) but I'm still not sure that the 500 or 550's you link are the model of hubs I have.
The Thin Man is offline  
Reply
Old 02-08-11 | 12:36 PM
  #21  
SJX426's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 10,106
Likes: 2,762
From: Fredericksburg, Va

Bikes: ? Proteous, '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, 'Litespeed Catalyst'94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster

Based on picture number 4 you have 550. Look at the right exploded view, DS bearing and compare it to the right side exploded view, DS. The left view shows a "Cap" that covers the bearing on the 500. The right shows the bearing at the location of the "Cap", which is effectively further out from the center of the hub. This is the difference between the 500 and 550 RD's.

I envy your wheel set, BTW! Mine came well used and with SACH skewers ILO Mavic original ones. There were two levers materials, steel and aluminum. Which do you have?
SJX426 is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
american psycho
Classic & Vintage
1
02-25-16 02:48 AM
thinktubes
Classic & Vintage
18
07-26-15 10:35 AM
sk0tt
Road Cycling
5
12-19-14 07:53 PM
tronzo86
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
8
10-16-14 12:17 AM
kayble
Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
5
03-21-11 08:09 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.