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Old 05-16-11 | 08:43 AM
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So let's change the thread and make it one that matters.

Is there a helmet that looks good with a C&V bike?
I wear a Giro Indicator but I don't think it is an aesthetically pleasing helmet at all.
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Old 05-16-11 | 08:44 AM
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+1. Personally I think there should be a waiver that states if you're in an accident, and need medical attention that a helmet would have prevented, you will receive no public funds at all for your medical care, in any circumstance. You should also be required to be an organ donor.
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...and neckbraces
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...and while driving a car - that's dangerous.
...and when sailing -
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YEAH - no helmet threads in C&V.
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Old 05-16-11 | 08:46 AM
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i don't wear a helmet.. in california there is no helmet law for adults, and really the only people you see wearing helmets around here are roadie "spandex warrior" types. even most kids don't wear helmets even though it's supposedly the law.

I kinda view helmets more as clothing than part of the bike.. so unless you're decked out in all c&v clothes, i don't see the point in looking for a c&v helmet.. helmets aren't really c&v anyways.. i mean before the 90s were helmets commonly used at all?
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Old 05-16-11 | 08:46 AM
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this pic suggests I have not much to protect



brainless action

normally I am wearing a Troy Lee Edge (SHOEI) however



...or a Cinelli hairnet on the road



actually I should buy a modern helmet however
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Old 05-16-11 | 08:50 AM
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Yes, lock this thread before anyone else dares to speak against the culture of fear promoted by the bicycle helmet lobby and those wanting to mandate the purchase of a "magic pill" response to ignorant drivers and irresponsible riding.
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Big Helmet(tm) wants EVERYONE to buy one of their magic force fields. That's why they "give" so much of their profits to to "bike safety" programs (95% center around helmet use).
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Old 05-16-11 | 08:51 AM
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I still like my idea of turning this into a thread about aesthetically pleasing/slightly more c&v appropriate helmets.
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Old 05-16-11 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
Personally I think there should be a waiver that states if you're in an accident, and need medical attention that a helmet would have prevented, you will receive no public funds at all for your medical care, in any circumstance. You should also be required to be an organ donor.
wow, i don't care how someone gets hurt, i would want to do everything possible to save them.

What you have is a small group that shout loudly about the evil helmet industry and are perpetually spoiling for a fight.
... and you weren't trolling with your post above?

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Old 05-16-11 | 08:54 AM
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I still like my idea of turning this into a thread about aesthetically pleasing/slightly more c&v appropriate helmets.
it is a good idea, but unlikely to happen
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Old 05-16-11 | 08:55 AM
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It always devolves into a mad house because people like this ... are perpetually spoiling for a fight.
Agreed. But I fear, despite your better intention, you may be egging them on.
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wow, i don't care how someone gets hurt, i would want to do everything possible to save them.
I was being sarcastic and trying to illustrate why there is a public interest in the issue. Apprently it didn't come through. Obviously I'm not in favor of denying people healthcare.

What you have is a balancing act between a person's right to be stupid and the public's interest in not funding stupidity.
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Agreed. But I fear, despite your better intention, you may be egging them on.
Agreed...deleting.
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Originally Posted by canopus
This is just something that belongs over in the A&S forum, It has hashed/re-hashed/super-hashed. It gets boring, acrimonious, and is just generally bad.

Mods, please lock this thread.
Why? The guy asked a question. If you can't answer it without starting a nasty ole A&S-style helmet thread, just don't participate.
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Old 05-16-11 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by chipcom
Why? The guy asked a question. If you can't answer it without starting a nasty ole A&S-style helmet thread, just don't participate.
Or the thread can be moved to A and S.
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Old 05-16-11 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
I was being sarcastic and trying to illustrate why there is a public interest in the issue. Apprently it didn't come through. Obviously I'm not in favor of denying people healthcare.
ah, yeah it just sounded like you were one of the anti-anti-helmet types .. u got me
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Old 05-16-11 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by frantik
i mean before the 90s were helmets commonly used at all?
I learned to ride a bike, as a kid, in the late 80s and we didn't wear helmets. But the mid 90s I was wearing a helmet cycling and rollerblading.

It's funny how some people who want to get rid of this thread will also contribute to the conversation. Maybe it's because I'm not an uber user of this forum, but I was happy to see the thread and am interested in the conversation, especially in how it relates to C&V bike riders.

What is the problem if the same thread comes up a few times a year? A message board is somewhat cyclical anyway. Sure, there is a community of people who socialize on a regular, long-term basis, but there are a lot of other users who come and go, or visit casually over the long term. Why not just ignore it?
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
...the public's interest in not funding stupidity.
That is a separate issue and I FULLY agree with this.

99.99% of what public funds go to are funding STUPIDITY. I'm fully in favor of cutting it too.
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Why? The guy asked a question. If you can't answer it without starting a nasty ole A&S-style helmet thread, just don't participate.
See what I mean. I haven't started anything and am already accused... I've only said how it gets and that it should be locked down.
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Old 05-16-11 | 09:08 AM
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I still like my idea of turning this into a thread about aesthetically pleasing/slightly more c&v appropriate helmets.
I strongly regret how I worded the initial post now. This is really what I was after. I went to my LBS, but the only ones they have are covered in about 15 colours, 20 logos and cost more than many bikes do. I was hoping to get a suggestion or two, not start a fight or give people an opportunity to rant. I didn't post in the safety forum, because asking people interested in safety about aesthetic quality seemed like it would trivialise their discussions.

I didn't know there was an evil helmet industry, either.
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Old 05-16-11 | 09:08 AM
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+1. I also don't think one of those C and V leather hairnets is any better than no helmet. If you don't want to wear a helmet, on your head shall it be. Personally I think there should be a waiver that states if you're in an accident, and need medical attention that a helmet would have prevented, you will receive no public funds at all for your medical care, in any circumstance. You should also be required to be an organ donor.
-10. This is the kind of post that creates the contention around this topic. By this logic, all "public funds" should also be denied to those who unnecessarily risk their health and lives by eating too much. And no mention of the nanoscopic amount of "public funds" (if any at all) being spent on head injuries of bicyclists who weren't wearing helmets.

In the '70s, essentially nobody wore helmets except racers (and by today's standard, they were unprotected as well). Where are all the news stories of all the brain damaged cyclists of that decade? Should be easy to find. Should be easy to show the cost to society of all those being kept alive in hospitals because their heads weren't protected when they fell off their bikes. Where's the data? It doesn't exist because it was as insignificant then as it would be today.

Fact is that the only authentic C&V helmet is a leather hairnet or no helmet at all. Both work just as good now as the bikes from the same period!

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Old 05-16-11 | 09:11 AM
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I learned to ride a bike, as a kid, in the late 80s and we didn't wear helmets. But the mid 90s I was wearing a helmet cycling and rollerblading.
yeah i learned to ride in the 80s as well.. they passed the helmet law in california saying kids had to wear a helmet in 1994, the year after i went into high school. I didn't ride bikes in high school, and then when i started riding in college i was an adult so i didn't have to wear one then either

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Old 05-16-11 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by canopus
See what I mean. I haven't started anything and am already accused... I've only said how it gets and that it should be locked down.
That wasn't an accusation. All you gotta do is answer the guy, like I did, and not get into the pros, cons, moral sermons and other nonsense that usually accompanies helmet (and other) threads, and we're golden.
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Or the thread can be moved to A and S.
why? It has nothing to do with advocacy or safety unless we drag it into that gutter.
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why? It has nothing to do with advocacy or safety unless we drag it into that gutter.
It is quickly heading there.
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why? It has nothing to do with advocacy or safety unless we drag it into that gutter.
I think we're very much debating saftey and not C and V bikes. I also think the issue has been debated to death and no one's mind is going to be changed. I'll continue wearing a helmet because I was in a crash that I walked away from and might not have if I hadn't been wearing one. Unless that doctor was just a stooge of the helmet lobby.

I've argued with you before...I think highly of you. You're bright, funny and a good writer. I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. I do however wish you many happy miles of safe riding.

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-10. This is the kind of post that creates the contention around this topic. By this logic, all "public funds" should also be denied to those who unnecessarily risk their health and lives by eating too much. And no mention of the nanoscopic amount of "public funds" (if any at all) being spent on head injuries of bicyclists who weren't wearing helmets.

In the '70s, essentially nobody wore helmets except racers (and by today's standard, they were unprotected as well). Where are all the news stories of all the brain damaged cyclists of that decade? Should be easy to find. Should be easy to show the cost to society of all those being kept alive in hospitals because their heads weren't protected when they fell off their bikes. Where's the data? It doesn't exist because it was as insignificant then as it would be today.

Fact is that the only authentic C&V helmet is a leather hairnet or no helmet at all. Both work just as good now as the bikes from the same period!
ok Responding is counter-productive to what is in the forum's interest.
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