Do you stand up and mash on your vintage bikes?
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During more than 100k mi of cycling in just under 50 years, I have broken three rear axles, three left cranks, one pedal, one front hub flange, three frames, one front derailleur, and numerous spokes, cables, etc. The only time a component failure caused injury was when I broke a first-generation Sugino crank at the pedal eye during an out-of-saddle climb up a moderate grade. Ever since I have been very cautious about pushing the equipment too hard. I have also replaced a couple of stems and cranksets as preventive maintenance.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
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Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
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I mash, yes! Only had one problem with all of the bikes that I've ridden and it was a stupid oversight. I had a Raleigh Technium (sold it darned it) and it was a real pleasure to ride. It was an '86 Technium 460 and was very smooth. Anyways, I had the freewheel replaced and didn't double-check the tightness of the skewer. I took it out for a spin and when i stood up to climb a very steep hill it pulled the wheel forward on me. Didn't fall or anything, just scared the "you-know-what" out of me! Last time I make that mistake.
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During more than 100k mi of cycling in just under 50 years, I have broken three rear axles, three left cranks, one pedal, one front hub flange, three frames, one front derailleur, and numerous spokes, cables, etc. The only time a component failure caused injury was when I broke a first-generation Sugino crank at the pedal eye during an out-of-saddle climb up a moderate grade. Ever since I have been very cautious about pushing the equipment too hard. I have also replaced a couple of stems and cranksets as preventive maintenance.
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i totally love jammin hard on the old lightweight steel. toasted a few parts and broken a few spokes here and there, including nondrive side rear on my open 20 a few days back. i do feel the old stuff is more fragile than my newer fancy 853 bike and do wish my commuter would feel as solid out of saddle.
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Though I am for the most part pretty fluid, I am by no means easy on any bike I ride. I really tweak them during accelerations and sprints, both uphill and down. I descend with reckless abandon, and regularly go off-road, and on cyclocross type terrain. I jump over things often, etc. But, when I build a bike, I make absolutely sure that it is mechanically, functionally and ergonomically excellent. Also, I ride light, and float over things as much as possible, so I rarely find that my bike get very beat up. I maintain them meticulously.
As for breakage, I've only broken a seat post, saddle (in a crash), chain, some spokes for the most part. Spokes only break when the wheel is poorly built.
...and for the record, I feel that equivalent quality new stuff just as strong, if not stronger, than the good old stuff.
As for breakage, I've only broken a seat post, saddle (in a crash), chain, some spokes for the most part. Spokes only break when the wheel is poorly built.
...and for the record, I feel that equivalent quality new stuff just as strong, if not stronger, than the good old stuff.
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How the heck do you break a saddle?
I imagine this is in the same vein as people who ask me, "How do you lose a boot on the lift line at Aspen?" Really, what I'm after is the story. Not trying to point the finger, brother, I bet it smarted like crazy at the time!!
I imagine this is in the same vein as people who ask me, "How do you lose a boot on the lift line at Aspen?" Really, what I'm after is the story. Not trying to point the finger, brother, I bet it smarted like crazy at the time!!
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I mash everyday up the hills home on my UO-8. I can swear I see my fork flexing out...in a good way though, hopefully. Never broke anything on it.
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I forgot to tighten the bolts properly on the straddle bit of my MAFAC competitions and discovered doing so while bombing down on a dune descent. Luckily, it was on my fixie so I made it home.
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lightweight racing chains, and those TI gears typically only last about 3 to 4k miles when used for racing and training yet he gets over 10k miles.
I still very positive that older stuff was more durable then newer stuff though. Todays newer stuff with their brifters fail a lot more frequently then the old school stuff. Newer thinner chains last far less then half as long as the older wider chains. Parts break today you have to buy a complete assembly instead of just a small part. There's more dinking around to make sure the index shifting works properly. CF parts break all the time and their not any lighter the old school aluminum, heck the lightest rear derailleur ever made was a Huret drilled Jubilee that weighed just 135 grams...compare that to your CF derailleurs, and that was made in the 70's without a hint of TI or CF! The only one that comes close today is the Dura Ace RD7900 at 166 advertised grams. But that Huret was not a very good shifting derailleur. Enter my oldest active derailleur, a 83 Suntour Superbe Pro that weighs 174 grms and was the best friction shifting derailleur ever made, and still below the weight company of top of line Campy and Shimano offerings without any fragile ti or cf parts and still working after 150,000 plus miles, in fact all the Superbe components (complete bike is Superbe) on that bike still work after all those miles try doing that with the new stuff! Geez look at even the crappy stuff like the 60's and 70's era Schwinn Varsity's and the such still on the road today, you won't find a Walmart bike lasting that long or even a expensive modern al or cf road bike!
No, I still think that the old school stuff was more stout and designed to last a long time. Todays new school stuff philosophy is just like the cars made today is to break so you can reinvest back into the economy more frequently. Sure there's more science in todays stuff but it's not doing us a lot of favors. There were racing bikes back in the early 80's that got down into the sub 17 pound range, why do you thing the USI rules limit the weight of bike to 14.999 pounds? Because there were racers that could get bikes below that back then! and the concern for safety arose.
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So, I still stand and pillow fight at will - the bikes can take it.
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John E - I have talked to many about equipment failures on their bikes but all in all it seems crank failures were the worst...
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I am hard on my bikes. I like to ride them that way. I need to get around.
I could make them last longer and look prettier, but I have to live my life too!
I could make them last longer and look prettier, but I have to live my life too!
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It's the only way I can ride them! I'm not much of a leisurely rider regardless of the form of transportation...
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I'm a masher and I hammer. I've disassembled, cleaned, inspected and reinstalled all of my bikes so I trust they'll treat me well. However, hammering up a hill on a 63cm 531 DB frame is when I can see the sense in stiffer materials. Still, as of now, all of my bikes are steel.
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I stood and hammered one time on a C&V bike and it didn't go well. I yanked the back wheel out of the dropout and it locked up against the chainstay. If there's one suggestion I can make, it's check the old quick release skewers. The old steel frames aren't going to be hurt by hammering, but most of my C&V QR skewers are incredibly difficult to get tight enough in the dropout unless you clean/lube them. That's really the only suggestion I can make.
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ago... You guessed it. Instant slip on slotted drops. I test rode a Raleigh Clubman a year or two ago, which couldn't be made to not slip, even when the lever was nearly impossible to close.,,,,BD
And, since the vintage stuff I ride usually has low mileage at least on the components, yes I stand on occasion. Mostly though, I spin on the saddle. The wind around here is ridiculous.
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How the heck do you break a saddle?
I imagine this is in the same vein as people who ask me, "How do you lose a boot on the lift line at Aspen?" Really, what I'm after is the story. Not trying to point the finger, brother, I bet it smarted like crazy at the time!!
I imagine this is in the same vein as people who ask me, "How do you lose a boot on the lift line at Aspen?" Really, what I'm after is the story. Not trying to point the finger, brother, I bet it smarted like crazy at the time!!
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Spokes and wheels seem to be the biggest problem: On the low end you can get away with a new 24 spoke rim, but at around 300lbs. or mountain biking you need 36 spoke. Older wheels aren't nearly as high quality as they are now (barring some time with a good wheel builder) and use thinner spokes.
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During more than 100k mi of cycling in just under 50 years, I have broken three rear axles, three left cranks, one pedal, one front hub flange, three frames, one front derailleur, and numerous spokes, cables, etc. The only time a component failure caused injury was when I broke a first-generation Sugino crank at the pedal eye during an out-of-saddle climb up a moderate grade. Ever since I have been very cautious about pushing the equipment too hard. I have also replaced a couple of stems and cranksets as preventive maintenance.
Sounds like what I have experienced. I've been at this for over 55 years and have seen all types of failures
( mainly aluminum ) it's not pretty when it happens.
Be careful, and inspect your bike before a ride.
Johnnybee.
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broke an old rusty chain last summer while showing off for my kids with a 3rd try at a short sandy climb. that bike should be fine w/ a new chain.