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cudak888 06-20-11 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by OldsCOOL (Post 12815889)
I still cant get over the trouble to mount an SIS RD on that.....that.....thing.
Just be glad they didn't try "improving" the seatpost diameter.

-Kurt

Chombi 06-20-11 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by frantik (Post 12815784)
i doubt most people in Milpitas care what people call San Francisco :lol:
Milpitas??...............where's/what's that??:p:p

Chris_in_Miami 06-20-11 07:53 PM
Would anyone be worried about the strength of the dropout with the extra hole in it? Is the thickness sufficient and stress low enough that it wouldn't be an issue?

John E 06-20-11 08:13 PM
Get some real wheels with enough spokes to provide a decent strength-to-weight ratio. :)

I'll bet you can figure out some way to mount a derailleur on that dropout.

Fasteryoufool 06-20-11 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by Chombi (Post 12815765)
Like all other parts of the country, we have cyclo goofers that will do such silly things.
By the way, we prefer "San Francisco", "SF", "The City" (used locally) or "Bay Area" when referring to our city.
"Cisco" or "San Fran" does not sit too well with most "natives".:rolleyes::D

Chombi
When I lived in San Joser, they even refer to SF as "The City" there, and San Joser is about 15% bigger.

JohnDThompson 06-20-11 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by Chris_in_Miami (Post 12816702)
Would anyone be worried about the strength of the dropout with the extra hole in it? Is the thickness sufficient and stress low enough that it wouldn't be an issue?
The hole for the adjuster bolt is already a common failure point for that type of dropout. Another hole certainly won't improve this although some dropouts came with a factory-installed hole there:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/simplex-do.jpg

frantik 06-20-11 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by Fasteryoufool (Post 12816851)
When I lived in San Joser, they even refer to SF as "The City" there, and San Joser is about 15% bigger.
yep.. weird how that is

Oakland is "The Town"
San Jose is.. nothing lol

unworthy1 06-20-11 10:46 PM
I'll bite: work is slow right now, you still need a facilitator? I have dibs on dope-slapping the seller, tho!
Holy cr*p! I just opened the link to the CL ad: what a monstrosity! Sorry Milpitas: this guy is not helping with the trailer trash image some of us snooty "THE CITY" dwellers have of you...those canti studs have been drewed, too...not going to be fun to re-hab this frame, I'm afraid. What a jamook!

Chombi 06-20-11 11:16 PM
:rolleyes:
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 12816904)
The hole for the adjuster bolt is already a common failure point for that type of dropout. Another hole certainly won't improve this although some dropouts came with a factory-installed hole there:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/simplex-do.jpg
Uhmmm........ that hole on the rear portioin that Simplex dropout was not meant for mounting/aligning an add-on dropout claw. It's for a cylindrical Delrin insert on which the axle adjuster bolt threads through from the back of the dropout. the delrin provides the drag on the bolt that retains the adjustment as the same is done on nylok nuts.
Simplex just loves using Delrin on everything they make!:D
BTW, I don't think I ever heard of this type of Simplex DO ever failing because of that hole. the DOs were designed very stoutly with a lot of material in the first place, unlike some thinner section DOs like the Suntour GS which I think, from evidence posted on this and other bicycling sites, had a tendency to crack at the triangular cutout.

Chombi

Chombi 06-20-11 11:24 PM
Originally Posted by frantik (Post 12817052)
yep.. weird how that is

Oakland is "The Town"
San Jose is.. nothing lol
San Jose seems to just be called "Silicon Valley" by most Bay Area residents, if they do not want to say "San Joser" or "SJ" or "San Jose". Not sure what the natives from the south prefers.
I've also heard "Oaktown" from my Oakland resident friends.....and they still called SF "The City", for some reason.:rolleyes:

Chombi

unworthy1 06-20-11 11:34 PM
Herb Caen is dead and gone: we are free to call this place anything we like. And besides, HE wasn't even a native (Sac-a-tomatoes, him). Personally, I like "the Santa Clara Valley", which is the proper name for it. Nobody has baked any Silicon in that place for 15 years, anyhow.
My thread hi-jacking is now done ;)

frantik 06-21-11 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 12817449)
Sorry Milpitas: this guy is not helping with the trailer trash image some of us snooty "THE CITY" dwellers have of you
Trailer trash? Milpitas? Check out wikipedia, Milpitas is 60% Asian..

Not sure what the natives from the south prefers.
Not a native but lived here for over 10 years. SJ or San Jose is pretty much all I ever hear it called, or "the south bay". I would only refer to it as silicon valley when talking to someone out of state since that phrase is more widely known

Chris_in_Miami 06-21-11 06:00 AM
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 12816904)
The hole for the adjuster bolt is already a common failure point for that type of dropout. Another hole certainly won't improve this although some dropouts came with a factory-installed hole there:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/simplex-do.jpg
Thanks John, I've never encountered that one, it looks like they compensated for the hole with plenty of steel.

thenomad 06-21-11 07:31 AM
Sell the wheels asap. If they have all spokes in good condition then pass it off while you can. I think anyone over 120lb will snap a rear spoke on these. I had a set and read that they were a time bomb. Rode them anyway and sure enough, pop, fix it, pop, fix it, pop!
Spokes are hard to come by and expensive. Poor design, but look nice and modern.

popsalicious 06-21-11 02:30 PM
I was in contact with the seller, he told me the bike got sold today. Not surprising I guess, huge market for vintage bikes here in the bay and not many experienced buyers (like me, luckily I got on the forum and dodged this one). After he told me it'd been sold, I asked how/why he'd hung the rear derailleur like he did, and all he said was "I think it's just the brand of rear derailleur, old school model." Probably wasn't his bike to begin with, and doubt he's a flipper because he would've just parted out the bike instead of selling it or at least not done what he did with the derailleur. Guess this will just remain a mystery.

thook 06-21-11 07:34 PM
Actually, that RD mounting is not too far removed from how I've seen some cheap, early SIS RD's were designed to mount. Tourney's are a good example. The Mega-Range RD, long as the pulley cage already is, is mounted with a large pivoting bolt to a steel hanger that then mounts to a dropout hanger. And, actually, at the same angle the RD on that Univega is. The Mega-Range RD is spec'd to handle up to a 34t cog and mid 40's of chainwrap, but I've seen it handle a 38t cog no problem. Some dude on the internet did it. Nevertheless, that is still a kludge mount if I ever saw one. Moot now, anyway.

Oh, and....golly....maybe that hardware store bolt actually has the correct threads for the dropout hanger. Auto part stores do have bolts like that.

Chris_in_Miami 06-21-11 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by thook (Post 12821900)
Actually, that RD mounting is not too far removed from how I've seen some cheap, early SIS RD's were designed to mount. Tourney's are a good example. The Mega-Range RD, long as the pulley cage already is, is mounted with a large pivoting bolt to a steel hanger that then mounts to a dropout hanger. And, actually, at the same angle the RD on that Univega is. The Mega-Range RD is spec'd to handle up to a 34t cog and mid 40's of chainwrap, but I've seen it handle a 38t cog no problem. Some dude on the internet did it. Nevertheless, that is still a kludge mount if I ever saw one. Moot now, anyway.

Oh, and....golly....maybe that hardware store bolt actually has the correct threads for the dropout hanger. Auto part stores do have bolts like that.
That reminds me, I had one of those derailleurs on a clapped out Specialized and you're right about the position.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L...0/cross_03.jpg

That bike could have been the subject of several "how not to..." threads.

Amesja 06-21-11 08:16 PM
Looks professional to me. It's even got the crimp on the wire.

Captain Blight 06-21-11 11:26 PM
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sillygolem 06-22-11 01:11 AM
Originally Posted by thook (Post 12821900)
The Mega-Range RD is spec'd to handle up to a 34t cog and mid 40's of chainwrap, but I've seen it handle a 38t cog no problem. Some dude on the internet did it.
When I thought I'd gotten my hands on an AG freewheel I dug up a thread here about it - he got it to work by adding an additional spring to pull the cage back a little more to get over the 38t cog.

Instead I happened upon an AG derailleur, and it really isn't any bigger than a standard mountain bike derailleur.

Amesja 06-22-11 06:15 AM
Maybe you can get Rebecca Black to put those lyrics to song...

Originally Posted by Captain Blight (Post 12822757)
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Hey, that was fun!

frantik 06-22-11 06:18 AM
whoa

Kobe 06-22-11 06:45 AM
My OCD says you are 4 Frisco's short.

Amesja 06-22-11 06:49 AM
It's Frisco, Frisco
Gotta get down on Frisco
Everybody's lookin' forward to the Frisco, Frisco.
Frisco, Frisco
Gettin' down on Frisco
Everybody's lookin' forward to the Frisco

Partyin', Frisco' (Yeah)
Frisco', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, Frisco, fun, Frisco
Lookin' forward to the Frisco!

thook 06-22-11 10:34 AM
Originally Posted by sillygolem (Post 12822929)
When I thought I'd gotten my hands on an AG freewheel I dug up a thread here about it - he got it to work by adding an additional spring to pull the cage back a little more to get over the 38t cog.

Instead I happened upon an AG derailleur, and it really isn't any bigger than a standard mountain bike derailleur.
Oh! I never saw that little detail. Then, maybe we're not speaking of the same dude? Would you happen to know where I could find that thread? I'm considering a little barter to acquire one of those Mega RD's for a project. The thing looks brand new, and I like the cage design with the large, red jockey wheel on the bottom. Matches my mtn bike! :D


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