Just browsed the bay and found this beast. Have you ever seen
a bike like that?

https://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ht_3372wt_1141

The photos give further credence to a very reliable source (won't say who) who told me that Ciocc made his frames with teh same wheelbase regadless of other dimensions, the result being, as the frame gets larger and larger, the head angle gets steeper and steeper and the tide gets twitchier and twitchier.

My source said a 64cm Ciocc was downright scary to ride - I don't even want to think about this one.

Oh, my!

It`s a size 74cm c-t-c. And if that`s not enouth, have a look at the stem.

That is ridiculous in so many ways. It looks like a steher frame.

I'd be less scared of the ride and more worried about the rider.

I opened the link and literally said "GOO!" out loud a la this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGDuE...eature=related

Guys that ride that kind of bikes should stick to basketball. I wonder who'd draw tubes that long.

i had the same bike is a 64 ctc that was more like a 66, and I thought that was big!

It's really a 60cm with 24" wheels.

That thing looks like it's a lot more than 6cm bigger than my Raleigh.

I thought I've seen tall bikes, but I've never seen anything like this.

It's just a little bit larger than this.



Makes me think the people at GIOS had no idea what they were doing. Not that I have any idea either.

Man, that head tube is as long as the fork.

yea i agree... biggest one i've seen on the forum

too bad you can't really cut down bikes like a hockey stick, to make it fit you.

I wonder for how much it sells. How tall do you have to be to be able to drive a thing like that?
Would be a nic wall hanger for a club, shop or so in my opinion.

I'm 6'6" and ride a 68cm frame, You'd have to be 7' to ride that thing and I still think it has to be bigger than a 74cm.

The ad it says 75cm. Regardless, it's ridiculous looking. If I was so tall I needed a bike that looked like that I am not sure I would take up cycling. I am not trying to offend really tall people, I just wouldn't be able to get past the looks of a bike like that to enjoy riding it haha.

And a single speed too, I wonder what his geared bike is?

I like it, do you want to sell it ?

Why is it that when frames reach a certain size, the builders no longer build the top tubes proportional to the seat tube? Smaller bikes get relatively longer and longer top tubes and as you get over ~56 or 57cm, the top tubes get smaller relative to the increase in seat tube.

For example, a 56 x 56 is pretty common among most builders, but most 60 or 62 cm frames (the size I am always on the lookout for), only have 58 or 58.5 cm top tubes....

Someone that size needs to consider a recumbent.

Sounds like the same approach Albert Eisentraut took on his "production" bikes back in the 80's, but with VERY different results. My 63cm Eisentraut "Rainbow" has a 98cm (38.5") wheelbase and 74.5 deg head angle. Solid as a rock, regardless of speed (well, up to 50mph/80kph, anyway - never went faster than that). Albert was well known for mixing tube sets for best results. That may have been part of the problem with CIOCC - Columbus tubing was pretty limited back then: SL or SP. Period. Also, every big CIOCC I've seen had a way steep seat angle (74ish degrees). That'd put the rider WAY too far forward for good handling. My Rainbow has a seat angle of 72 deg, and I usually ran the saddle all the way back on it.

BTW, I've ridden big bikes with more "normal" head angles (72-73 deg) and it feels like I'm pushing a shopping cart, not riding a bike - almost like the front wheel is in a different time zone. Also that tends to make the front end too light, and suceptible to washing out. Not a good thing at high speed.

In short, building a big frame that works is tricky, and there aren't many builders who are good at it. IMO, Eisentraut is one who is good, Pellizzoli (CIOCC) isn't.

SP
Bend, OR

ps - in case anybody asks, I've been riding "seriously" for 35 years, and spent 7 years wrenching professionally, including a stint as service manager/pro-bike specialist at one of Seattle's top bike shops, so I've had the chance to ride "a few" good bikes.

https://link.marktplaats.nl/469807090

another one.

I was thinking about this again, there's just no way that thing is only three inches taller than my SGP.



Or am I wrong?

Edit-maybe I am wrong, my bike looks pretty tall in that pic doesn't it?



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