WWC&VD? Replace or Keep?
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WWC&VD? Replace or Keep?
The fenders that came off my Peugeot cleaned up very nicely and I'm nearly ready to put the fenders back on the bike but I'm facing a little dilemma.
In stock form the bike already had a little constructeur style rack attached to the bike, but a few weeks back at the VO garage sale I picked up a new one for a very attractive price. Should I clean up the rack that came with the bike and place it back on the bike or should I replace it with the new rack?
There is a small downside to putting the new rack on the bike as opposed to putting the old rack back on. I will need to drill two additional holes in a set of very nice stock fenders and there will also be holes from where the old rack was previously attached if I go with the new fenders. Pics of both racks follow.

VO and Peugeot Rack by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

Side View Peugeot Rack by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

Opposite View Peugeot Rack by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

Top View Peugeot Rack by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
In stock form the bike already had a little constructeur style rack attached to the bike, but a few weeks back at the VO garage sale I picked up a new one for a very attractive price. Should I clean up the rack that came with the bike and place it back on the bike or should I replace it with the new rack?
There is a small downside to putting the new rack on the bike as opposed to putting the old rack back on. I will need to drill two additional holes in a set of very nice stock fenders and there will also be holes from where the old rack was previously attached if I go with the new fenders. Pics of both racks follow.

VO and Peugeot Rack by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

Side View Peugeot Rack by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

Opposite View Peugeot Rack by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

Top View Peugeot Rack by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
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Hi. I remember you grabbing that rack.
I will pass on the advice I got from Colonel Lloyd: steel wool and elbow grease.
You'll be very pleasantly surprised how good you can make the old rack look.
Do that first. Then think about it.
Drilling the holes would make me think twice. IMHO.
Cheers!
I will pass on the advice I got from Colonel Lloyd: steel wool and elbow grease.
You'll be very pleasantly surprised how good you can make the old rack look.
Do that first. Then think about it.
Drilling the holes would make me think twice. IMHO.
Cheers!
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1959 Hilton Wrigley Connoisseur (my favorite!)
1963 Hetchins Mountain King
1971 Gitane Tour de France (original owner)
* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
* rebuilt as upright cruiser
1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
(replacing stolen 1981 TR Everest custom)
1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
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Those old Peugeot racks are very nice but they do lack a little stiffness for heavier loads... always a favourite when I am fitting out vintage bikes and want a rack that looks right.
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Hi. I remember you grabbing that rack.
I will pass on the advice I got from Colonel Lloyd: steel wool and elbow grease.
You'll be very pleasantly surprised how good you can make the old rack look.
Do that first. Then think about it.
Drilling the holes would make me think twice. IMHO.
Cheers!
I will pass on the advice I got from Colonel Lloyd: steel wool and elbow grease.
You'll be very pleasantly surprised how good you can make the old rack look.
Do that first. Then think about it.
Drilling the holes would make me think twice. IMHO.
Cheers!

I've already cleaned up the fender stays and other items that were in need of cleaning. The nice thing is that most of this bike has cleaned up very nicely. I do believe the rack can be made to look pretty darned good.
Here's one other piece to the equation I forgot to mention: Remember me grabbing that Porteur rack? Well, I think I'm going to put that on the bike too. What I'll end up with if I put the old rack back onto the rear is a thin wire rack on the rear and a nicely finished tube rack on the front.
Decisions, decisions, decisions...
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Being made from wire, I am of the opinion they are not a very strong rack, that is for sure. They do at least look right since that is what they had from the factory. Frankly, I'm not sure the VO rack would look that out of place on the bike. It is very similar in style and would be more useful than the OEM rack for actually carrying stuff.
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Hey there! Yup, I did snag that Nitto Campee rack, but it turned out to be a rear rack. I have too many rear racks, but this one is the nicest. I'm still waiting for the frame it will go on to arrive. Months(!) I have been waiting.
I also grabbed a porteur front, but in the rush I didn't inspect it. Only when I went to check out did I realize I grabbed the one without the upper bars. Mine is just the flat surface version. When I realized, all of them were gone. Sigh. Which version did you get?
Anyway, fine steel wool and 15 minutes. I'll bet you'll be surprised. Still, it depends on just how much weight you plan to carry. My fallback position on rear racks is always the Blackburn. But I'm old-fashioned in this regard.
Cheers!
I also grabbed a porteur front, but in the rush I didn't inspect it. Only when I went to check out did I realize I grabbed the one without the upper bars. Mine is just the flat surface version. When I realized, all of them were gone. Sigh. Which version did you get?
Anyway, fine steel wool and 15 minutes. I'll bet you'll be surprised. Still, it depends on just how much weight you plan to carry. My fallback position on rear racks is always the Blackburn. But I'm old-fashioned in this regard.
Cheers!
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1959 Hilton Wrigley Connoisseur (my favorite!)
1963 Hetchins Mountain King
1971 Gitane Tour de France (original owner)
* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
* rebuilt as upright cruiser
1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
(replacing stolen 1981 TR Everest custom)
1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
1959 Hilton Wrigley Connoisseur (my favorite!)
1963 Hetchins Mountain King
1971 Gitane Tour de France (original owner)
* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
* rebuilt as upright cruiser
1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
(replacing stolen 1981 TR Everest custom)
1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
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Oxalic acid on the old rack...personally I wouldn't touch it with steel wool. Steel wool is only going to remove some amount of chrome. Example (remember, not a single bit of mechanical rust removal, save a very soft toothbrush over the whole thing a couple times while in the OA bath):
Before:


After:

Before:


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Hey there! Yup, I did snag that Nitto Campee rack, but it turned out to be a rear rack. I have too many rear racks, but this one is the nicest. I'm still waiting for the frame it will go on to arrive. Months(!) I have been waiting.
I also grabbed a porteur front, but in the rush I didn't inspect it. Only when I went to check out did I realize I grabbed the one without the upper bars. Mine is just the flat surface version. When I realized, all of them were gone. Sigh. Which version did you get?
Anyway, fine steel wool and 15 minutes. I'll bet you'll be surprised. Still, it depends on just how much weight you plan to carry. My fallback position on rear racks is always the Blackburn. But I'm old-fashioned in this regard.
Cheers!
I also grabbed a porteur front, but in the rush I didn't inspect it. Only when I went to check out did I realize I grabbed the one without the upper bars. Mine is just the flat surface version. When I realized, all of them were gone. Sigh. Which version did you get?
Anyway, fine steel wool and 15 minutes. I'll bet you'll be surprised. Still, it depends on just how much weight you plan to carry. My fallback position on rear racks is always the Blackburn. But I'm old-fashioned in this regard.
Cheers!
I noticed khatfull has chimed in... gonna read his missive. He is a god when it comes to making something shiny!
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Oxalic acid on the old rack...personally I wouldn't touch it with steel wool. Steel wool is only going to remove some amount of chrome. Example (remember, not a single bit of mechanical rust removal, save a very soft toothbrush over the whole thing a couple times while in the OA bath):
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I only use heavy abrasives like bronze wool as a last resort. OA and chrome polish are my first choices. That chromium layer is only a few microns thick.
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So I'm nearly finished with the cleanup... There is a fair pit of pitting on the surface. Does it make sense to put some clear coat on the rack to protect it? Advisable or not?
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I'd coat the clean rack with boiled linseed oil. It's cheap, easy and it's been pretty effective for me so far. I got the idea from southpawboston and he don't teach no junk!
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Sounds like an interesting idea. I'll dig around the forums for a thread from SPB describing the method.
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Hi. I remember you grabbing that rack.
I will pass on the advice I got from Colonel Lloyd: steel wool and elbow grease.
You'll be very pleasantly surprised how good you can make the old rack look.
Do that first. Then think about it.
Drilling the holes would make me think twice. IMHO.
Cheers!
I will pass on the advice I got from Colonel Lloyd: steel wool and elbow grease.
You'll be very pleasantly surprised how good you can make the old rack look.
Do that first. Then think about it.
Drilling the holes would make me think twice. IMHO.
Cheers!






