Originally Posted by MetinUz (Post 13150081)

Actually, Windsor's did have 26.8, Cinelli should have 26.2 or 27.2.

Originally Posted by Picchio Special (Post 13150119)

Agree - but there's the bottom bracket issue. Plus, on the Raysports I've seen with the vertical dropouts, the junctions are done differently - they're beveled and not quite as nicely executed.

Originally Posted by vjp (Post 13150222)

hmmm...

If I just saw a pic of the BB shell, I would vote Cinelli...

Originally Posted by lostarchitect (Post 13150286)

How wide is the BB shell? I *think* Cinelli would be Italian, 70mm and Windsor would be 68. Someone with more knowledge may come in and correct me, however.

Originally Posted by dbakl (Post 13150769)

Windsor Pros were Italian threaded.

Originally Posted by MetinUz (Post 13150581)

Here is BB picture of my '70s Windsor. No serial stamp, but looks similar otherwise.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/P1030275.jpg

Originally Posted by Picchio Special (Post 13149073)

I have watched "The Matrix" enough times to be able to actually read the code, and that definitely looks like a Cinelli.

Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy (Post 13151006)

Seat lug cut out is only Cinelli feature I see that is different than some of the homages of the era. Seat post is reeking of Windsor.

Originally Posted by Old Fat Guy (Post 13151222)

Given the seat post size, and rear drop out, I think we can all agree it is not a Cinelli, most likely a Raysport, or another 'homage' bike (counterfeit seems too judgmental).

Most likely not a Cinelli.

Originally Posted by ultraman6970 (Post 13151349)

The bike in the OPs picture looks like a windsor to me.

Originally Posted by Picchio Special (Post 13149886)

Agree that the Raysports I've seen have the "R" cutout in the BB shell - and that looks like a 70's Cinelli shell to me - though they did have the vertical rear drops. And if the post is 26.8, that's a pretty big clue. I think it's a Cinelli, though I haven't been able to track one down pics of one with vertical rear dropouts.

Originally Posted by Brad Sasher (Post 13149853)

some important questions and fact,seat post 26.8? I have been dirested to raysport,but it has no cut out in the bottom bracket and raysport was 27.2 seat post.the bike has alot of good parts on it,some french things like Mavic 360 black stem and malliard competition/weinnman concave rims.patent 72 Campagnolo rear ,Huret Jubilee front,Zeus Seat pillar,Galli brakeset and a spectacular Saavedra crank with black drilled even each tooth,in perfect shape!! look like a royce titanium bottom bracket,spanish olympic 664 pedals,sloping fork crown all chrome?anty thoughts are appreciated and again sorry about the picture posting.regards Brad

Originally Posted by Picchio Special (Post 13149992)

Windsors of course did not have full-sloping crowns or 26.8 posts.

I believe they also lacked the little cutout in the side of the seatlug, and had different SN placement from the OP's bike.

A better pic of the fork crown might help - looks like the Cinelli version, but the pics are so poor ...

Originally Posted by lostarchitect (Post 13150286)

How wide is the BB shell? I *think* Cinelli would be Italian, 70mm and Windsor would be 68. Someone with more knowledge may come in and correct me, however.

Originally Posted by 753proguy (Post 13153874)

Windsors do have 26.8 posts, actually. That's a good way to ID one. The other is the fastback seatstay cluster's detailing, but that's more subtle.