Is this just dressing up a pig?
#1
Thread Starter
Hogosha Sekai

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 6,674
Likes: 26
From: STS
Bikes: Leader 725, Centurion Turbo, Scwhinn Peloton, Schwinn Premis, GT Tequesta, Bridgestone CB-2,72' Centurion Lemans, 72 Raleigh Competition
Is this just dressing up a pig?
I've got another lemans my size coming my way... BUT it's one of these
(not my bike but same model, and theirs is in better condition.
I've got a full cyclone group with barcons and a set of clip on aerobars.. and I'm tempted to order the nashbar 1" threaded carbon/steel steerer fork...
I know the frameset is very heavy, (couldn't get the exact weight on my other one, it's too heavy for my poor fishing scale even minus wheels/stem/bars/seatpost/seat...
So is this an excercise in stupidity?
(not my bike but same model, and theirs is in better condition. I've got a full cyclone group with barcons and a set of clip on aerobars.. and I'm tempted to order the nashbar 1" threaded carbon/steel steerer fork...
I know the frameset is very heavy, (couldn't get the exact weight on my other one, it's too heavy for my poor fishing scale even minus wheels/stem/bars/seatpost/seat...
So is this an excercise in stupidity?
#2
Well seeing as their was someone here on the forums who had a bright green Varsity he equipped , at least for a a while, with the new campy 10 speed stuff I say go for it. It will never be a light or high end bike, but if you like the ride why not?
#4
It's a bit ridiculous to attempt to save weight by getting a carbon fork when the frame weighs 1-3lbs more than a nicer vintage one. Not to mention all the other parts on the bike including and especially the wheels are very heavy. If you like it, do whatever you want but if you want a light bike that performs well I wouldn't bother.
#6
Senior Member

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 23,212
Likes: 3,123
The biggest crime with a bicycle is not riding it. If it means you'll ride it more, I'm all in favour of the suggested changes. The only thing you positively MUST DO, is post the serial number and date codes of the original components, so that I can enter them into my Centurion database. It looks like a mid 1970s model, one of the Raleigh Grand Prix clones.
#7
Senior Member

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,070
Likes: 2,161
From: NW Ohio
Bikes: 1984 Miyata 310, 1986 Schwinn Sierra, 1987 Ross Mt. Hood, 1988 Schwinn LeTour, 1988 Trek 400T, 1981 Fuji S12-1977 Univega Grand Rally, S LTD, 1973 Sears Free Spirit 531, 197? FW Evans
I think it was Carrol Shelby that said "You can't turn a pig into a racehorse, but you can have a damn fast pig".
#8
Thread Starter
Hogosha Sekai

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 6,674
Likes: 26
From: STS
Bikes: Leader 725, Centurion Turbo, Scwhinn Peloton, Schwinn Premis, GT Tequesta, Bridgestone CB-2,72' Centurion Lemans, 72 Raleigh Competition
The biggest crime with a bicycle is not riding it. If it means you'll ride it more, I'm all in favour of the suggested changes. The only thing you positively MUST DO, is post the serial number and date codes of the original components, so that I can enter them into my Centurion database. It looks like a mid 1970s model, one of the Raleigh Grand Prix clones.
#9
PanGalacticGargleBlaster
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,531
Likes: 9
From: Smugglers Notch, Vermont
Bikes: Upright and Recumbent....too many to list, mostly Vintage.
no harm in upgrading varsities or other low end bikes as long as you:
A: Have no hope of increasing its resale value
B: Can withstand people who like to label that which they do not understand as "Hipster"
Here's my massively upgraded Varsity. When I'm done with it I'll take the parts and put em on something else, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
A: Have no hope of increasing its resale value
B: Can withstand people who like to label that which they do not understand as "Hipster"
Here's my massively upgraded Varsity. When I'm done with it I'll take the parts and put em on something else, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
__________________
--Don't Panic.
--Don't Panic.
#10
Thread Starter
Hogosha Sekai

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 6,674
Likes: 26
From: STS
Bikes: Leader 725, Centurion Turbo, Scwhinn Peloton, Schwinn Premis, GT Tequesta, Bridgestone CB-2,72' Centurion Lemans, 72 Raleigh Competition
no harm in upgrading varsities or other low end bikes as long as you:
A: Have no hope of increasing its resale value
B: Can withstand people who like to label that which they do not understand as "Hipster"
Here's my massively upgraded Varsity. When I'm done with it I'll take the parts and put em on something else, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

A: Have no hope of increasing its resale value
B: Can withstand people who like to label that which they do not understand as "Hipster"
Here's my massively upgraded Varsity. When I'm done with it I'll take the parts and put em on something else, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

#11
Fat Guy on a Little Bike


Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 15,946
Likes: 371
From: Philadelphia, PA
Bikes: Two wheeled ones
I just don't see the point in putting components like that on a frame like that. I don't use the "H" word, but I don't see the point in doing this either.
I think it's time to officially retire the word hipster. No one has used the term "def" since the funeral, and it's time Hipster goes the same way.
I think it's time to officially retire the word hipster. No one has used the term "def" since the funeral, and it's time Hipster goes the same way.
#12
no harm in upgrading varsities or other low end bikes as long as you:
A: Have no hope of increasing its resale value
B: Can withstand people who like to label that which they do not understand as "Hipster"
Here's my massively upgraded Varsity. When I'm done with it I'll take the parts and put em on something else, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

A: Have no hope of increasing its resale value
B: Can withstand people who like to label that which they do not understand as "Hipster"
Here's my massively upgraded Varsity. When I'm done with it I'll take the parts and put em on something else, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

#13
#14
I just don't see the point in putting components like that on a frame like that. I don't use the "H" word, but I don't see the point in doing this either.
I think it's time to officially retire the word hipster. No one has used the term "def" since the funeral, and it's time Hipster goes the same way.
I think it's time to officially retire the word hipster. No one has used the term "def" since the funeral, and it's time Hipster goes the same way.
#15
PanGalacticGargleBlaster
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,531
Likes: 9
From: Smugglers Notch, Vermont
Bikes: Upright and Recumbent....too many to list, mostly Vintage.
That's what it's for and that's what it does best 
not bad for slow cruising through the park either.
Aaron I suppose in my case the point was to build a bike I could thrash while also being capable and enjoyable to ride. I've done all manner of terrible things to this bike and its like the proverbial Timex watch that takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. I didn't want to kill a good bike or even worry about killing a good bike.....so a Varsity picked off the side of the road fit the bill. You know the deal...the only things left after the big bomb goes off are gonna be cockroaches and Varsities (and giant radioactive mutant cockroaches riding varsities!).
Could I have used an old Hardtail MTB? Sure but this was free-er and, IMHO cooler.
not bad for slow cruising through the park either.
Aaron I suppose in my case the point was to build a bike I could thrash while also being capable and enjoyable to ride. I've done all manner of terrible things to this bike and its like the proverbial Timex watch that takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. I didn't want to kill a good bike or even worry about killing a good bike.....so a Varsity picked off the side of the road fit the bill. You know the deal...the only things left after the big bomb goes off are gonna be cockroaches and Varsities (and giant radioactive mutant cockroaches riding varsities!).
Could I have used an old Hardtail MTB? Sure but this was free-er and, IMHO cooler.
__________________
--Don't Panic.
--Don't Panic.
#17
Thrifty Bill

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 23,645
Likes: 1,109
From: Mans of NC & SW UT Desert
Bikes: 86 Katakura Silk, 87 Prologue X2, 88 Cimarron LE, 1975 Sekai 4000 Professional, 73 Paramount, plus more
And I most certainly WOULD NOT let someone on the internet talk me out of doing it. Its really your choice!
Last edited by wrk101; 11-15-11 at 04:43 PM.
#18
Fat Guy on a Little Bike


Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 15,946
Likes: 371
From: Philadelphia, PA
Bikes: Two wheeled ones
That's what it's for and that's what it does best 
not bad for slow cruising through the park either.
Aaron I suppose in my case the point was to build a bike I could thrash while also being capable and enjoyable to ride. I've done all manner of terrible things to this bike and its like the proverbial Timex watch that takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. I didn't want to kill a good bike or even worry about killing a good bike.....so a Varsity picked off the side of the road fit the bill. You know the deal...the only things left after the big bomb goes off are gonna be cockroaches and Varsities (and giant radioactive mutant cockroaches riding varsities!).
Could I have used an old Hardtail MTB? Sure but this was free-er and, IMHO cooler.
not bad for slow cruising through the park either.
Aaron I suppose in my case the point was to build a bike I could thrash while also being capable and enjoyable to ride. I've done all manner of terrible things to this bike and its like the proverbial Timex watch that takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. I didn't want to kill a good bike or even worry about killing a good bike.....so a Varsity picked off the side of the road fit the bill. You know the deal...the only things left after the big bomb goes off are gonna be cockroaches and Varsities (and giant radioactive mutant cockroaches riding varsities!).
Could I have used an old Hardtail MTB? Sure but this was free-er and, IMHO cooler.
#19
#20
PanGalacticGargleBlaster
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,531
Likes: 9
From: Smugglers Notch, Vermont
Bikes: Upright and Recumbent....too many to list, mostly Vintage.
Zaphod - apologies, I meant the OP - not your's. Your bike makes perfect sense to me - it's a practical, cool build. The OPs plan doesn't make sense to me because the strengths of a Le Tour are its durability and utlity, which aren;t served by the CF fork or parts.
Only thing I can say about that is use lots of spacers and leave the steerer tube long so you can put the fork on something else at some point. Do they even make CF forks with Threaded steerers?
__________________
--Don't Panic.
--Don't Panic.
#21
Thread Starter
Hogosha Sekai

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 6,674
Likes: 26
From: STS
Bikes: Leader 725, Centurion Turbo, Scwhinn Peloton, Schwinn Premis, GT Tequesta, Bridgestone CB-2,72' Centurion Lemans, 72 Raleigh Competition
Well since the red one is gonna be hear god only knows when, I've started converting my green lemans to this project and will then turn the red one into my dedicated singlespeed when it shows.
Jet: I'll put up some pics once I'm done with mock up.
Wrk: No money invested yet, just parts from a donor bike who's frame is going into storage as insurance against my A bike dying some day...
Kon: It's more of a because I like the bike and can thing...
Zaph: Yes they do and nashbar has one for 75 bucks, probably not gonna get it but it's a fun idea.
Jet: I'll put up some pics once I'm done with mock up.
Wrk: No money invested yet, just parts from a donor bike who's frame is going into storage as insurance against my A bike dying some day...
Kon: It's more of a because I like the bike and can thing...
Zaph: Yes they do and nashbar has one for 75 bucks, probably not gonna get it but it's a fun idea.
#22
Thread Starter
Hogosha Sekai

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 6,674
Likes: 26
From: STS
Bikes: Leader 725, Centurion Turbo, Scwhinn Peloton, Schwinn Premis, GT Tequesta, Bridgestone CB-2,72' Centurion Lemans, 72 Raleigh Competition
edited
Last edited by RaleighSport; 11-15-11 at 04:59 PM. Reason: double post
#23
Yes it is, hipster scum.......

Mini U-Lock Color Skins, a Hipster Sensation
Or as my friend Mel said at the Bike Kitchen the other day:
"If you are worried that your U-lock color does not match the
color of your sweet deep V fixed gear rims.......you may be a hipster."

In any case, by now we understand that hipsters are essentially people who are overwhelmed by simply being alive and are constantly looking to escape the unpleasant business of thinking for themselves that the rest of us generally refer to as "adulthood." But where do they come from? Well, Iowa apparently:.........

So there you have it. Hipsters come from Iowa, they don't like to think, they do like to ride bikes, and they ultimately want to be artists or something. Really, though, I can't think of many places less conducive to artistic endeavors than New York City, which essentially consists of wealthy financiers and the people who serve them. https://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2011...ters-come.html

So there you have it. Hipsters come from Iowa, they don't like to think, they do like to ride bikes, and they ultimately want to be artists or something. Really, though, I can't think of many places less conducive to artistic endeavors than New York City, which essentially consists of wealthy financiers and the people who serve them. https://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2011...ters-come.html

Mini U-Lock Color Skins, a Hipster Sensation
Or as my friend Mel said at the Bike Kitchen the other day:
"If you are worried that your U-lock color does not match the

color of your sweet deep V fixed gear rims.......you may be a hipster."
#24
Bicycle Repairman

Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 687
Likes: 37
From: The Land of Three Mile Island
Bikes: Many
I love my purple pig... 

And there will be another.

I found this one at a swap meet last month - and I have some Campy parts salvaged from a Paramount that was destroyed in the recent flood.


And there will be another.


I found this one at a swap meet last month - and I have some Campy parts salvaged from a Paramount that was destroyed in the recent flood.
#25




