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Old 01-11-12 | 12:04 PM
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I think any standard shimano cassette. Are you going 8 speed, 9, or 10 speed? SRAM will work as well, and I think are a little cheaper. I'm running that same rim.
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I think any standard shimano cassette. Are you going 8 speed, 9, or 10 speed? SRAM will work as well, and I think are a little cheaper. I'm running that same rim.
Not necessarily. The hub could be hyperglide splined, but be only wide enough to take 7.

What's the hub, drummer?
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the plastic rolls that hold the velox rim strip work perfectly.
Sorry, not quite sure what a velox strip is. I was probably going to just take it down to the shop after school. Would they recommend the same thing?
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Sorry, not quite sure what a velox strip is. I was probably going to just take it down to the shop after school. Would they recommend the same thing?
They probably have shimano shims at your shop which cost about $10 or so. I save velox rim strip rolls (to line your wheels) for this purpose so I can kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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I guess I'll have to go with the shimano shim, I just used some electric tape and wrapped the rim twice. I'll post some more pictures once the FD is on.
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I guess I'll have to go with the shimano shim, I just used some electric tape and wrapped the rim twice. I'll post some more pictures once the FD is on.
You generally want to avoid tape since it is compressible and can slip. You can try pop can shims.
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Old 01-11-12 | 01:34 PM
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You generally want to avoid tape since it is compressible and can slip. You can try pop can shims.
Yeah, that tube is going to puncture before too long. The ends of the spoke nipples will work their way through the tape and pierce the rubber. I know from experience. It seems cheaper at first to just use tape, but eventually you'll end up buying rim strips AND a new tube.
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Old 01-11-12 | 01:42 PM
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Really? Even if you wrap it twice? It has worked for me for quite a while on another bike. Another shim question, what are pop can shims?
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Really? Even if you wrap it twice? It has worked for me for quite a while on another bike. Another shim question, what are pop can shims?
SORRY! I was talking about 2 different things here: 1) Shimming the front derailleur using strips of pop cans and 2) rim strip. You can use electrical tape for rim strip, but it gets sticky and nasty over time... proper rim strip is only like $2...

As for shims for your front derailleur, you can cut out aluminum strips from pop cans...

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Hey, if it's working for you, leave it on there. Maybe I used a different kind of tape, or just stretched it too much. It won't be catastrophic if it does fail, just a tiny puncture. It wouldn't hurt to pick up a rim strip and a spare tube next time you're at your local shop, though--that way you're not left without a ride if the tape gives way.

By the way, nice looking bike. I've been wrestling with a similar drive train decision on my 1990 Cannondale St400. I ultimately decided to just get a new 7-speed MegaRange freewheel and a new chain. For $25, it'll keep me happy until the right deal on a new wheelset and component group falls in my lap--like after Shimano introduces the next greatest thing and the "old" stuff is liquidated. I like the way you went, too. It sounds like you got a good deal on that 105/Ultegra group.

Edit: Looking at the pictures again, I hate to be the one to say it, but... your fork may be bent.

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Hey, if it's working for you, leave it on there. Maybe I used a different kind of tape, or just stretched it too much. It won't be catastrophic if it does fail, just a tiny puncture. It wouldn't hurt to pick up a rim strip and a spare tube next time you're at your local shop, though--that way you're not left without a ride if the tape gives way.

By the way, nice looking bike. I've been wrestling with a similar drive train decision on my 1990 Cannondale St400. I ultimately decided to just get a new 7-speed MegaRange freewheel and a new chain. For $25, it'll keep me happy until the right deal on a new wheelset and component group falls in my lap--like after Shimano introduces the next greatest thing and the "old" stuff is liquidated. I like the way you went, too. It sounds like you got a good deal on that 105/Ultegra group.

Edit: Looking at the pictures again, I hate to be the one to say it, but... your fork may be bent.


Can't see it myself, looking at the full bike, non drive side shot. I hope not, that would be a bit of a disaster for a 15 year old C&V enthusiast with such a great old bike.
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What are some signs that it could be bent? I didn't notice anything while riding, or while working on the bike. I'll check it out. The guy at LBS said to keep the 6 speed FD because the 10 speed one won't work with the old spacing. He also said to upgrade to a ten speed crank, but I don't think I will be ditching my biopace anytime soon!
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While using the dvd case of "A Serious Man" as a straight-edge, It seemed to be straight, but I'll take it in to the shop this weekend just to be sure. The old FD is on, and working surprisingly well. I'll put pictures on when we see some sun!
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I don't see any signs that it is bent, it looks perfect to me.
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Originally Posted by Refresco
I think any standard shimano cassette. Are you going 8 speed, 9, or 10 speed? SRAM will work as well, and I think are a little cheaper. I'm running that same rim.
Its probably going on my '81 Fuji with fraction shifters and a 12 speed right now. So I'm not really sure what I'll go with.
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You can't buy cassettes for 6 speeds, you can only buy them for 7 (with spacers) and up. You can buy a 6 speed freewheel, but the tool you would need is not the same as the lockring that we mentioned above.
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You can't buy cassettes for 6 speeds, you can only buy them for 7 (with spacers) and up. You can buy a 6 speed freewheel, but the tool you would need is not the same as the lockring that we mentioned above.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I didn't read it correctly. I thought you were upgrading to a friction shifter with 12 speeds.

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Originally Posted by Refresco
You can't buy cassettes for 6 speeds, you can only buy them for 7 (with spacers) and up. You can buy a 6 speed freewheel, but the tool you would need is not the same as the lockring that we mentioned above.
Actually, 6 speed cassettes do exist, I have one on my Ironman. They aren't very common though.

Your Fuji looks great, and I also do not think the fork is bent. Once I get a chain and cassette lockring, I'll have all the parts needed to do the same thing with my Ironman.
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Actually, 6 speed cassettes do exist, I have one on my Ironman. They aren't very common though.

Your Fuji looks great, and I also do not think the fork is bent. Once I get a chain and cassette lockring, I'll have all the parts needed to do the same thing with my Ironman.
What components do you think you will put on your Ironman? I'll get some more pictures of the fork when I can, but I don't think it's bent either. I was real lucky to find that 105/Ultegra deal, I still can't believe I got it. The guy selling it was a campagnolo guy, so he didn't need the group.
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While using the dvd case of "A Serious Man" as a straight-edge, It seemed to be straight, but I'll take it in to the shop this weekend just to be sure. The old FD is on, and working surprisingly well. I'll put pictures on when we see some sun!
If several others here say it looks straight, and you don't see any rust on unusual wear in the paint at the tops of the fork blades, don't worry about it. Camera angles play tricks sometimes, as do BF posters ;-)
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Old 01-12-12 | 06:27 PM
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Well, even if it ends up being bent, I can probably find a replacement with that paint scheme (;
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Originally Posted by Refresco
What components do you think you will put on your Ironman? I'll get some more pictures of the fork when I can, but I don't think it's bent either. I was real lucky to find that 105/Ultegra deal, I still can't believe I got it. The guy selling it was a campagnolo guy, so he didn't need the group.
Tiagra brifters, 105 RD, A-Class ALX320 rear wheel, 9 speed cassette (SRAM I think), then the old stock 105 crankset, FD, and brakes. I think the shifters, RD, and cassette cost me $95, got the wheel in a trade, then the chain and lockring will be around $30. Probably the cheapest way to do it, I spent quite awhile gathering the parts. I wish I found the deal that you did, but I suppose what I have should work well.
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