bottecchia frame, etc...
11-29-11, 07:43 PM
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bottecchia frame, etc...
...that i have a chance to pick up
it needs wheels and rear derailler...
seller says 60s?...
feedback...
it needs wheels and rear derailler...
seller says 60s?...
feedback...
11-29-11, 08:20 PM
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I rebuilt a Bottecchia for my wife and she loves hers.
11-29-11, 08:43 PM
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Looks fairly low end, but I have a low end Italian that rides great.
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11-29-11, 09:22 PM
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It's an early 1970s Bottecchia Special, which was an upper, entry level model. The frame is hi-tensile steel. . The missing rear derailleur is a Campagnolo Valentino Extra. The missing wheels are 27" steel rims laced to large flange, aluminum, QR hubs (either Gnutti or Campagnolo Nuovo Tipo). The missing brakes are Universal 61 centre-pulls.
11-29-11, 10:23 PM
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What T-Mar describes is almost exactly the bike to which I was referring, a 1972 Atala Grand Prix. Terrible brazing, but a fun fixed gear.
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11-30-11, 02:34 AM
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thanks guys - seller has value set at 350...it;ll be a trade deal i think anyway - but - what say you on that #
11-30-11, 04:19 AM
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The pictures have managed to hide some of the important frame set details that would help with identification. I agree that the bicycle is of sixties vintage and you can get a better estimate by applying some of the information available in How Old Is My Bicycle?
That said, I am pretty sure that the bicycle is a Bottecchia Model Special, a pretty nice mid level offering in those days. I have owned a few of these lovely old Italian bicycles and never been disappointed...
That said, I am pretty sure that the bicycle is a Bottecchia Model Special, a pretty nice mid level offering in those days. I have owned a few of these lovely old Italian bicycles and never been disappointed...
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$350.00 sounds really high to me in the condition that it's in.
11-30-11, 09:12 AM
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$350 is an insane price. $20 - $25 in my area. $50 tops in a good market.
11-30-11, 10:05 AM
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I paid $50 locally for a Professional/Giro d' Italia frame, which is higher end than what you've got (Columbus tubing, Campy dropouts). $350 is out of the question. More like $25, provided the frame isn't damaged.
I do agree, however, that some of these older Italian bikes with classic geometry have a very nice ride quality.
I do agree, however, that some of these older Italian bikes with classic geometry have a very nice ride quality.
11-30-11, 10:11 AM
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I think I paid around $125 for my frame, fork, headset, stem, BB and cheap seatpost. I didn't scoff at that. I mean, it does have chrome head lugs. 
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I owned a 1972 Bottecchia Special, same exact color and equipment as this one, save the leather saddle. New it was only Approx. $120.00 then. As said, $350.00 is way to high. Use Randyjawa's web page as a guide on restoring this bike. I'd actually like to find and rebuild a Special as a daily rider. It was a great bike as a first road bike for a 15 Y.O kid.
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The shifters appear to be Nuovo Record, rather than Valentino... for whatever that's worth.
11-30-11, 10:26 AM
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$350??!! Whoa! The graphics are toast on that frame and looks like it will need a full repain anyway. At least there's no real bad rust visible. The headbadge looks like in good nick and the chrome/lug details look really nice, but I'd say that's more like a 100ish dollar frame AT MOST.
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Walk away. It's just not that special.
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11-30-11, 11:06 AM
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There are a TON of these in NYC, I see them converted to fixies all the time. $350 is insanely high. $150 would be on the high side, and that's assuming it has wheels. Is it just what's in the photo? If so I would not pay more than $75 for it. If you wait, another will pop up on the NYC craigslist eventually.
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The shifters appear to be Nuovo Record, rather than Valentino... for whatever that's worth.
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The chrome fork ends and stays make this resemble a finer bike, and some may value that. But no wheels, no rear D, shabby overall, I'm sticking to $25 or even better as indicated above just walk away--save and wait for something better. Craigslist is awash with good bicycles, IMO.
I still say the head badge from that era looks like something from the facist era.
I still say the head badge from that era looks like something from the facist era.
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Not so sure. The metal looks dull and rusty, and I can't see the screws. Plus what I can see of the screws looks rusty, and while the NR screws and clip can rust, they're well chromed, and it takes serious neglect.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...%3Disch&itbs=1
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...%3Disch&itbs=1
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I believe these are Nouvo Gran Sport...
And these are NR...
I think, but I could be wrong.
And these are NR...
I think, but I could be wrong.
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I note the screw heads do not appear to be domed, but rather flat and slotted, nor do they have "Campagnolo" written on them, as far as I can tell.
This is what I'm used to seeing on NR shifters:
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At higher magnification, I now see the folding screws, so it's possible.
I note the screw heads do not appear to be domed, but rather flat and slotted, nor do they have "Campagnolo" written on them, as far as I can tell.
I note the screw heads do not appear to be domed, but rather flat and slotted, nor do they have "Campagnolo" written on them, as far as I can tell.
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