...that i have a chance to pick up
it needs wheels and rear derailler...
seller says 60s?...
feedback...

I rebuilt a Bottecchia for my wife and she loves hers.

Looks fairly low end, but I have a low end Italian that rides great.

It's an early 1970s Bottecchia Special, which was an upper, entry level model. The frame is hi-tensile steel. . The missing rear derailleur is a Campagnolo Valentino Extra. The missing wheels are 27" steel rims laced to large flange, aluminum, QR hubs (either Gnutti or Campagnolo Nuovo Tipo). The missing brakes are Universal 61 centre-pulls.

What T-Mar describes is almost exactly the bike to which I was referring, a 1972 Atala Grand Prix. Terrible brazing, but a fun fixed gear.

thanks guys - seller has value set at 350...it;ll be a trade deal i think anyway - but - what say you on that #

The pictures have managed to hide some of the important frame set details that would help with identification. I agree that the bicycle is of sixties vintage and you can get a better estimate by applying some of the information available in How Old Is My Bicycle?

That said, I am pretty sure that the bicycle is a Bottecchia Model Special, a pretty nice mid level offering in those days. I have owned a few of these lovely old Italian bicycles and never been disappointed...

$350.00 sounds really high to me in the condition that it's in.

$350 is an insane price. $20 - $25 in my area. $50 tops in a good market.

I paid $50 locally for a Professional/Giro d' Italia frame, which is higher end than what you've got (Columbus tubing, Campy dropouts). $350 is out of the question. More like $25, provided the frame isn't damaged.

I do agree, however, that some of these older Italian bikes with classic geometry have a very nice ride quality.

I think I paid around $125 for my frame, fork, headset, stem, BB and cheap seatpost. I didn't scoff at that. I mean, it does have chrome head lugs.

I owned a 1972 Bottecchia Special, same exact color and equipment as this one, save the leather saddle. New it was only Approx. $120.00 then. As said, $350.00 is way to high. Use Randyjawa's web page as a guide on restoring this bike. I'd actually like to find and rebuild a Special as a daily rider. It was a great bike as a first road bike for a 15 Y.O kid.

Bill

The shifters appear to be Nuovo Record, rather than Valentino... for whatever that's worth.

$350??!! Whoa! The graphics are toast on that frame and looks like it will need a full repain anyway. At least there's no real bad rust visible. The headbadge looks like in good nick and the chrome/lug details look really nice, but I'd say that's more like a 100ish dollar frame AT MOST.

Chombi

Walk away. It's just not that special.

I can't tell from those photos--the levers themselves were pretty similar.

There are a TON of these in NYC, I see them converted to fixies all the time. $350 is insanely high. $150 would be on the high side, and that's assuming it has wheels. Is it just what's in the photo? If so I would not pay more than $75 for it. If you wait, another will pop up on the NYC craigslist eventually.

High ten, pass, life is too short

Yup!

The chrome fork ends and stays make this resemble a finer bike, and some may value that. But no wheels, no rear D, shabby overall, I'm sticking to $25 or even better as indicated above just walk away--save and wait for something better. Craigslist is awash with good bicycles, IMO.

I still say the head badge from that era looks like something from the facist era.

Not so sure. The metal looks dull and rusty, and I can't see the screws. Plus what I can see of the screws looks rusty, and while the NR screws and clip can rust, they're well chromed, and it takes serious neglect.

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exactly. keep on the look-out for a better deal, they are out there! For a 25-50$ price tag it does make a good fixie base.

I believe these are Nouvo Gran Sport...


And these are NR...


I think, but I could be wrong.

At higher magnification, I now see the folding screws, so it's possible.

I note the screw heads do not appear to be domed, but rather flat and slotted, nor do they have "Campagnolo" written on them, as far as I can tell.

This is what I'm used to seeing on NR shifters:

You might be right about that. I can't see the pictures clear enough but I do have a set like you described, flat with D-rings, no markings. I think those are early Gran Sport, but I could certainly be wrong.