Panaracer Paselas - Good for Anything Other than Looks?
12-18-11, 05:59 PM
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auchencrow, I've had mixed luck with Cheng Shin tires. Most are fine and certainly inexpensive, but they do have a high defect rate.
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12-18-11, 06:18 PM
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Tom - I used to recommend them (I used them on flips and some of my own bikes too) but after 6 blow-out incidents on the road (due to defective bias plies) I found no economy in them. That lack of quality control is IMO indicative of a company that does not care about quality control, so you take your chances with them.
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Agreed! I recently swore off them. The model 637 or something gave a decent ride. Actually, it was an excellent ride for $8, but the most recent defect made me decide to say no more.
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12-18-11, 06:37 PM
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As far as a good mix of price-quality-road feel-toughness, I really like the Vittoria Rubinos. Im also a fan of GP4000s and I've had good luck with some of the Forte (Performance) tires.
I LOVE the Vedelstein Fortezas and will be forever in OFG, BBM and Gomango's debt for putting me onto the Veloflex Masters.
I LOVE the Vedelstein Fortezas and will be forever in OFG, BBM and Gomango's debt for putting me onto the Veloflex Masters.
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Paselas seem like the best value in an all-around 27" tire, and I'm glad Panasonic keeps making them. So far my only negative experience has been the sidewall separating from the wire bead in a mid-life tire. I walked about 5 miles home for that one. Since then I alway carry a folding bead replacement tire with me, in addition to spare tubes, pump, and patch kit. Didn't know about the dollar bill trick back then, not sure it would have worked anyway.
12-18-11, 07:08 PM
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I run 27x1" pasela non TG on one of my bikes and I really like them. They are kind of delicate for my weight and the terrain around here, but so far no flats. Only four or five hundred miles, but in some really terrible flint and debri strewn roads. They ride ok, they are not on a sporty bike but I feel that they hold the corners well enough for spirited riding. They were about the only tires I could find in a 27 inch size as thin as one inch.
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Have been using their T-serves lately with great results but still use Paselas with tour guard and also the standard ones.
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As far as a good mix of price-quality-road feel-toughness, I really like the Vittoria Rubinos. Im also a fan of GP4000s and I've had good luck with some of the Forte (Performance) tires.
I LOVE the Vedelstein Fortezas and will be forever in OFG, BBM and Gomango's debt for putting me onto the Veloflex Masters.
I LOVE the Vedelstein Fortezas and will be forever in OFG, BBM and Gomango's debt for putting me onto the Veloflex Masters.
I recently bought a Colnago Elegant that came with Vredestein Fortezzas.
I was going to take them off and swap them out for a set of black Veloflex Masters that I had ordered for the bicycle.
I'm glad I wasn't hasty, as I started riding them quite often.
I really am in no hurry to swap them at this point, as I have grown fond of their excellent ride qualities.
As for the Paselas, I did ride with them yesterday, and once again, I am happy to report zero flats.
Oh, I double checked the Casati they are on, and they are TGs if that makes any difference to anyone.
12-19-11, 12:06 PM
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Pasela TG (27 x 1 1/4) on both vintage Treks. I like them. Never flatted, roll well, decent feel. Have never ridden the non-TG version, tho. We do the country "day ride" kinda thing, over mixed surfaces. Lots of roads, but also long stretches of dirt with some sharp gravel. They've performed well for us.
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Got a pair of 32's ready to go on my hybrid this winter sometimes, the overwhelming "no or few flats" where key into the purchase.
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I like Paselas, but if I ran a tire size smaller than 28, I think I'd be wanting something with a little better road feel. That said, I've ridden Paselas in 28 and 32 widths, and found them to be very reliable and comfortable. I only have a sample size of 4 tires, but I had no flats or durability issues, even after riding them for extended distances on crushed, packed gravel trails. (these were not the Tourguards either)
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12-19-11, 02:49 PM
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i forgot i've had several pasela's either come from the factory with ripped sidewalls, or get ripped sidewalls after a few rides.
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12-19-11, 03:12 PM
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I have Pasela TGs, non-folding, on two bikes: 700x28 and 27x1-1/4. They aren't the fastest rolling, the lightest, or the supplest, but they ride pretty well and I haven't had a flat on any of them. In fact, they don't even look like they've worn at all, even after a couple thousand miles. I commute with them daily through all weather. They're a relative bargain, and they also look good on vintage bikes.
I do find that the tan sidewalls become permanently blackened from brake dust and/or road grime, but I don't think that's a problem that's particular to Paselas, but to tan sidewalls in general (see rear tire):
I do find that the tan sidewalls become permanently blackened from brake dust and/or road grime, but I don't think that's a problem that's particular to Paselas, but to tan sidewalls in general (see rear tire):
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12-19-11, 03:51 PM
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Not to hijack the thread, but does anyone have any experience with Michelin Erilium 2's, kevlar lined?
Just bought a set for a mid-eighties Basso, but I havn't installed them yet. They look great, with tan sidewalls and a thin red stripe. Hope they ride as well as they look!
Just bought a set for a mid-eighties Basso, but I havn't installed them yet. They look great, with tan sidewalls and a thin red stripe. Hope they ride as well as they look!
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I have Pasala tires on the '65 Rudge sports. They are fine and no flats yet.
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I've good excellent results with paselas -- both tourguard and non-tourguard.
and I've had two pairs that were miserable excuses for tires that I eventually gave away for free.
I think quality control is all over the place. I dont think I'll buy them again.
I've been riding vittoria hypers with much success. I think they are wonderful tires and recommend them. a little more money than a pasela, but absolutely worth it. unless the bike is a total beater that I do not want to put any money into, I have no reason to skimp on tires. best bang for your buck, I think.
and I've had two pairs that were miserable excuses for tires that I eventually gave away for free.
I think quality control is all over the place. I dont think I'll buy them again.
I've been riding vittoria hypers with much success. I think they are wonderful tires and recommend them. a little more money than a pasela, but absolutely worth it. unless the bike is a total beater that I do not want to put any money into, I have no reason to skimp on tires. best bang for your buck, I think.
12-19-11, 05:27 PM
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I personally think they're the best available for vintage 27" wheels. Riding 1-1/8" folding right now on an old Fuji. Very supple and of course they look right. Switched from TG 35s to T Serve 32s on another bike. Tread is the same and they feel similar but the T Serv is a little livelier. Probably it's the size too.
12-19-11, 05:46 PM
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There are really four types of Pasela, not two.
Without kevlar belt
With kevlar belt (TG)
With kevlar bead
With steel bead.
I have ridden them for 6,000 miles and plenty of tread left.
I have ridden 4 or five different sizes on different bikes.
The Kevlar belt does do a lot for flat protection.
They have thin flexible sidewalls, for low rolling resistance and ride.I like this feature.
Just like any brand tire, thinner the sidewalls the faster they are. The sidewalls are fragile. Some riders scrape things with the sidewalls, some don't. Only you can ultimately decide about the sidewalls.
Without kevlar belt
With kevlar belt (TG)
With kevlar bead
With steel bead.
I have ridden them for 6,000 miles and plenty of tread left.
I have ridden 4 or five different sizes on different bikes.
The Kevlar belt does do a lot for flat protection.
They have thin flexible sidewalls, for low rolling resistance and ride.I like this feature.
Just like any brand tire, thinner the sidewalls the faster they are. The sidewalls are fragile. Some riders scrape things with the sidewalls, some don't. Only you can ultimately decide about the sidewalls.
12-19-11, 06:00 PM
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Funny that opinions here vary. It's OK, because there's room for personal taste. I happen to like Paselas very much. I find them to be supple and also a good value. I don't keep track of mileage, so I can't offer opinions there. I also don't pay attention to which tires are vulnerable to punctures. Punctures are a random event, and a couple of punctures can skew your statistics, and not many people have very good sample sizes.
I did rip a sidewall with a pair of pliers, so it was my fault. They are thin sidewalls, by design, so I wouldn't recommend this tire on a cargo bike. But I do recommend them as a tire below $35, and they're usually a lot less than that.
I use regular Paselas. I have no experience with the Tourguard version.
I've always liked the way Panaracer tires ride. I have noticed that they last longer than other brands. I've recently seen some 30 year old tires in very good shape. Of course, they weren't ridden much, and they were lucky to be out of the light and moisture. They still ride well.
The name Panaracer is invented for some sort of legal issue for the North American (or perhaps just US) market. In Japan, it's the National Tire Company. Here, they've been called various other names, e.g. Panasonic, Cycle Pro, Schwinn. Lots of companies rebrand their tires.
I did rip a sidewall with a pair of pliers, so it was my fault. They are thin sidewalls, by design, so I wouldn't recommend this tire on a cargo bike. But I do recommend them as a tire below $35, and they're usually a lot less than that.
I use regular Paselas. I have no experience with the Tourguard version.
I've always liked the way Panaracer tires ride. I have noticed that they last longer than other brands. I've recently seen some 30 year old tires in very good shape. Of course, they weren't ridden much, and they were lucky to be out of the light and moisture. They still ride well.
The name Panaracer is invented for some sort of legal issue for the North American (or perhaps just US) market. In Japan, it's the National Tire Company. Here, they've been called various other names, e.g. Panasonic, Cycle Pro, Schwinn. Lots of companies rebrand their tires.
molded into the black. I've had a few Performance bike "Forte" tires with this.
Like everything in the world there is a lot of rebranded products made in the same place.
12-19-11, 07:16 PM
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I've put about 15,000 miles on Paselas over the last two years spread across three different bikes. Two are 700 x 28, the other has 27" x 1 1/8. They're all the TG version and with Kevlar bead. They aren't the lightest, the fastest or the most comfortable tire available, but for the price they're pretty darn good. Maybe even great. You get about 80% of the performance of something like a Conti GP4000 but at less than 50% of the price.
As for puncture resistance, indeed it tends to be random and everyone's experience seems to differ, but for what it's worth I had a pair of the non-TourGuard Paselas on a bike for about 1,000 miles. In that time I got at least a dozen flats. I finally got frustrated and threw them away. In the 15,000 miles I've ridden with the TG version I've had maybe two or three flats.
With the Paselas I tend to get 2,000 - 3,000 miles out of a rear tire before they're used up.
As for puncture resistance, indeed it tends to be random and everyone's experience seems to differ, but for what it's worth I had a pair of the non-TourGuard Paselas on a bike for about 1,000 miles. In that time I got at least a dozen flats. I finally got frustrated and threw them away. In the 15,000 miles I've ridden with the TG version I've had maybe two or three flats.
With the Paselas I tend to get 2,000 - 3,000 miles out of a rear tire before they're used up.
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I have a set of blackwall non-TG 27x1 1/8 that I have around 1000 miles on- I only swapped them out with tan wall TGs 1/4s pretty much just for the tan wall. The extra 1/8" was a cushy bonus. I probably have less than 500 miles on the tanwall TGs... I like them plenty. I also have a set of 700x32 tanwall TGs that I have somewhere south of 1000 miles on. I like them plenty as well.
I have not had a flat with any of the Pasela tires I've had.
I have not had a flat with any of the Pasela tires I've had.
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