Headset thoughts, anyone?
 

If you had to acquire and install a headset on a high-end vintage bike what would you consider acceptable? One can buy a new, seemingly very good headset from Harris or VO for under $50. Vintage Campy sets on ebay are going for two to three times that. Let us put aside for now any question of restoration; for now I'm interested in performance, not appearance.

VO has a model with needle bearings, seems like a good idea. They also have a model with a split fork crown race to make it easier to install. I can see how the bearing pressure would force the split joint closed, but I do wonder how that joint would survive long-term use.

Any thoughts or experiences?

TIA,
Jim

So far I'm liking my new Campy Record headset but have also had good experiences with more reasonably priced Tange headsets.

for the few headsets I have needed to install I was lucky enough to have a few old Campi ones on hand. I did install a Ritchey in the Basso frame I traded to TxVintage. it seemed pretty good for the price I paid.

personally unless you want a period correct or exact replacement I don't think it really matters. fit astetics and durability are what matters.

I stuck a Chris King on my Bianchi...It's absolutely amazing.

+1. I'd go with any of the modern cartridge style.

Campy Record, Chris King, or even a 600.

They are all overkill and I routinely use them all.

Depends on what type of vintage performance bicycle for the op though.

I'd have to pony up the big bucks for the right vintage bicycle from the 70s for example.

I'd pay for Campy.

Here's a pic of the CK on my Hollands.

Came with the frameset, so it was a no-brainer.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3456/5...54a69e51_o.jpg

they are very nice headsets but IMO they look really funny on vintage bikes cause they're more modern and they have chris king written all over the headset, so unless you're not going for a fully vintage look then they'd fit great.

I always try to match the headsets with whatever group is on the bike, sure it may cost a bit more but it makes me happier, cause when i'm out riding i'm not looking down at my bike and say, "man i wish i had that matching headset".

I’d like to own a Chris King headset one day, but I haven’t been able to justify the expense. I think the Tange Levin is still a good workhorse headset that looks pretty good as well, without the embellishments.
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/heads...eaded-iso.html

The CK headsets are nice of course...9 times out of 10 a Tange Levin will do the job and look period correct as well.

Recently I bought one of the Token needle bearing headsets, but have not used it yet.

The high polish VO headset also looks the part, and works well on my Gilmour.

Ben's may have some of the black Paramount labeled Stronglights left as well...

Of course, you can never go wrong with Campy (other than $$$).

I'd be interested in the Token's performance.
I've always liked the Stronglight A9.

So much of the C&V headset performance is in the adjustment and packing.
For that reason, I sort of like the Shimano 6500, it's Robbie-proof, almost.

I packed a Miche the other day with the some new Finish Line grease with teflon.
Seems pretty cool.

I think cane creek has a nice classic (campy) looking headset also.

What about the Tange Passage headset? I'm in need of replacing a headset on my Hercules Royal Prince and obtaining another one for the Hercules Kestrel which I received only as a frameset.

Has anyone here use the Tange Passage?

Dura Ace 7410.

I believe the Passage is the identical cup design as the Levin, with lesser quality bearings.

Thaks for the information. That is good stuff to know. I just went to their website and looked at their spec and the base of the crown race is only 26.4mm though, which is problematic as the inner dimension on the Hercules forks is 27.0mm. Back to the drawing board.

Do I have to comment in two threads that I think Tange Levins are garbanzo beans? My test sample is only 1, but that 1 is junk :) (or my head tube needs to be faced, I'll get that done and then check back in and possibly eat my words).

I've had great luck with Campy Record (vintage and modern), Chris King (logos can be polished off) and Shimano 600.

Robbie, I agree about the 600 too, it is also Alex-proof.

If I'm buying a new headset, for any bike but a flip, it will be a sealed cartridge type.

I've had excellent experience with the Stronglight A9 roller bearing headset. If the VO headset is similar, I would anticipate decades of trouble-free use.

Re: the split crown race: this should not be a problem if the unit uses cartridge bearings or floating races like the Stronglight unit.

Tange Passage has the most minimal stack height of any mainstream threaded headset IIRC. Something to consider with regard to your front end handling and also the given amount of thread on your steerer.

My test sample is one as well, and I’ve had no issues with the one I had. But most of the bikes that I have worked on are for sale; and IMHO, you will not get your money back when trying to sell a bike with an expensive headset on it. The typical buyer just wouldn’t get the $100 increase in price because you’ve installed a headset that will last a lifetime. I agree with you though, if it’s a bike that you plan on riding for years to come, putting more money into the headset would be my option as well.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Part of my quandary is that I'm not sure where to go with the restoration level. Before I spend big bucks on parts I need to make it rideable. A period-correct restoration will be very expensive and probably take a long time. The frame deserves the expense, but it cannot happen overnight. A Cane Creek headset is maybe $100, probably what a Campy R or NR would be on ebay. Nice-looking VO or similar units are $30-35. I could end up riding that for years. This is NOT a bike I'd ever expect to sell.

Surprisingly Chris King headsets have been around for quite some time...1976 to be exact. The earlier models didn't have his name all over it but use a Sotto Voce version where the name isn't so visible. But looks they haven't really changed from when they first came out. On a nice vintage american made frame it would match perfectly IMHO more so then Campy or asian made headset.

I used an alloy passage on my Raleigh Professional. It seems just fine and I would buy another one. I've honestly never seen many "bad" headsets unless it was abused. There are some real cheapos, like the galvanized kind you find on cruisers but that is a different story.

My Tange passage:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3544/3...f53_z.jpg?zz=1

I've used an A9 for over 15 years on my Battaglin and it has worked great!!!

Based on my experience with the A9, I'm going to try a Stronglight delta on the Ciocc I'm building up. I really like the styling:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gYAq4xy3cY...ight-delta.jpg

I'm surprised that the headset in question is only available in one crown sizing. Used to be you'd specify thread and crown race diameter.

How do we know about the various Tange cup designs?

I haven't seen these for quite a while - where have you seen them for sale? is there an issue with recent ones made with ball bearings rather than needle?

First thoughts are that there are mechanical considerations that trump style. Your bike has requirements: crown race ID, thread (French, Italian, or BSA), and stack height (your fork might be too short for a new headset that you buy, even though it was just fine with the old one). If you're actually building a bike to ride, these precede style points.

That said, I like modern and vintage Campagnolo, Tange M-60 and some kinds of Levin, and Stronglight A9 with needle bearings. But you can't make one work that has the wrong dimensions. Nor can you make one work if the head tube and crown race seat are not in shape.

Bearing pressure does not force the split crown race closed. The steel cartridge bearing used in that headset does not need to be supported that well. I have one on my Raleigh and I like it very much. I'd buy another since the needle bearing Stronglight A-9 is no longer available. I have no experience with a VO needle bearing headset. Both cartridge and needle bearing headsets normally need a lot of stack height. I've used Tange when a short stack height is required.

Thanks. Does that imply a different distance between head tube and crown?? That would change how the bike stands.

Which brings me to the next question. How does one determine what stack height will be needed? I do not have the original. Most likely it would have been a Campy NR. I can see starting with a smaller height and adding washers if required, seein' as how they seem to be available. If I start with one spec'ed too large that may mean removing a washer, but perhaps there are none to remove so that headset won't do at all.

I thought that would be the case too, but I went to the Tange website and pulled down their catalog and it shows all the 1" threaded headsets with 26.4 crown sizing.

I put a Delta on my tandem over 25 years ago and it's still going strong.

The only difference between the Delta and the A9 is that the Delta has O-ring seals on the cups and locknut.