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Old 02-09-12 | 01:39 PM
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Anyone recognize the crank on my Raleigh Sports?

I guess I shouldn't be concerned about making everything correct on the Raleigh Sports but I would like to know what this crank came off of if anyone knows.

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Old 02-09-12 | 01:44 PM
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Them's cottered.....not in my radar of knowledge, unfortunately.

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Brampton?

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Old 02-09-12 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Roll-Monroe-Co
Brampton?


I think you hit it right on the crank. https://bicyclepictureoftheday.blogsp...ton-crank.html

It's a bit ugly in my opinion and I would like to find something else.

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Um, ow?
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Old 02-09-12 | 02:05 PM
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Brampton was acquired by Tube Investments in 1956. TI acquired Raleigh in 1960. Some time in there, everything became mix and match.

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Brampton_Fittings

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Tube_Investments
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I'm surprised to see that crank. Raleigh's cottered spindle diameter is slightly larger than most, and I'd be most surprised if an aftermarket crank would fit.

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Old 02-09-12 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cudak888
I'm surprised to see that crank. Raleigh's cottered spindle diameter is slightly larger than most, and I'd be most surprised if an aftermarket crank would fit.

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+1...maybe the spindle is swapped out too.
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Is it not plausible that the crank is what was on the bike when it left the factory? It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd
Is it not plausible that the crank is what was on the bike when it left the factory? It wouldn't surprise me in the least.
It would be an anomaly rather than plausible. As a long suffering 3 speed fan, I've looked at hundreds of Sports bikes in person and probably pics of a thousand others online and I've never seen a Brampton crank on a Raleigh. Kurt?

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It would be an anomaly rather than plausible. As a long suffering 3 speed fan, I've looked at hundreds of Sports bikes in person and probably pics of a thousand others online and I've never seen a Brampton crank on a Raleigh. Kurt?
Well since you are a long suffering 3 speed fan, you must know a lot about Raleigh 3 speeds.

I've noticed that some of the vintage Raleigh 3 speed bikes only have 1 brace on the rear fender and other have 2 braces. My 1976 Raleigh Sports has 2 braces. I've seen 2 same model with a single brace and 2 braces respectively. What's up with that?

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It's a bit ugly in my opinion and I would like to find something else.
How far are you from DFW? I have a heron-head Raleigh crank I could be talked out of; I wouldn't mind trading.
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How far are you from DFW? I have a heron-head Raleigh crank I could be talked out of; I wouldn't mind trading.
I'm 3 hours from Dallas. As a matter of fact I've got an appointment at the VA hospital in the morning.

Got a picture of your Raleigh crank?
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Originally Posted by clubman
It would be an anomaly rather than plausible. As a long suffering 3 speed fan, I've looked at hundreds of Sports bikes in person and probably pics of a thousand others online and I've never seen a Brampton crank on a Raleigh. Kurt?
The anomaly is that someone went through the trouble of sourcing another cottered 71mm spindle. I'm quite certain it's a cheap 1970's copy of a Brampton crank. It looks the part, and it's not identical to the Brampton.

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Originally Posted by cudak888
The anomaly is that someone went through the trouble of sourcing another cottered 71mm spindle. I'm quite certain it's a cheap 1970's copy of a Brampton crank. It looks the part, and it's not identical to the Brampton.

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I have a 1964 Hercules that has a chainset like that. I think they were knockoffs and not genuine Brampton as you mentioned. While this is not as identifiable as the Raleigh chainset it is one of the ones that I find quite pleasing pleasing aesthetically.


Ladie's 1964 Hercules - 1 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


Ladie's 1964 Hercules Chainring by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

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I'm 3 hours from Dallas. As a matter of fact I've got an appointment at the VA hospital in the morning.

Got a picture of your Raleigh crank?
It looks like the ones in the two pics above. I can get some pics of mine up shortly.

I'm in west Fort Worth, probably too far out of the way if you're driving to Dallas (an hour west of the VA Hospital), but....you're call. If you want to do it, though, I will need the cranks on your Raleigh Sports. If there is any doubt about spindle size, you'll need to pull that, too.

I bought the cranks for another bike, but it's a Hercules and I don't think the Raleigh herons would look right on it.
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I thought I had seen a lower end TI bike chained to a pole with that chainset here in town.
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Originally Posted by silvercreek
I've seen 2 same model with a single brace and 2 braces respectively. What's up with that?
Raleigh generally had 2 or 3 different "tiers" of bikes and would outfit them accordingly. In the mid 60's you might find a Dunelt with entry level wire stays, an LTD or Lenton Sports with single stay and a Superbe or Rudge with double stays. The rules changed over the years export markets complicated it even more.
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Originally Posted by photogravity
I have a 1964 Hercules that has a chainset like that.
That's quite possibly a Brampton. Silvercreek's crank has different triangular cutout proportions.

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It looks like the ones in the two pics above. I can get some pics of mine up shortly.

I'm in west Fort Worth, probably too far out of the way if you're driving to Dallas (an hour west of the VA Hospital), but....you're call. If you want to do it, though, I will need the cranks on your Raleigh Sports. If there is any doubt about spindle size, you'll need to pull that, too.

I bought the cranks for another bike, but it's a Hercules and I don't think the Raleigh herons would look right on it.
Don't think I want to drive that much further. I'm meeting a friend for lunch at the Bavarian Grill in Plano shortly after leaving the VA hospital.

Thanks for the offer anyhow.
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Would someone take a look at my post #12 please.
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Old 02-09-12 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by silvercreek
I've noticed that some of the vintage Raleigh 3 speed bikes only have 1 brace on the rear fender and other have 2 braces. My 1976 Raleigh Sports has 2 braces. I've seen 2 same model with a single brace and 2 braces respectively. What's up with that?

For example:

That's a '76? If so, I'm almost certain that's a Canadian-market example - that blue wasn't available in the States.

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Old 02-09-12 | 06:17 PM
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That's a '76? If so, I'm almost certain that's a Canadian-market example - that blue wasn't available in the States.

Mind if I use that photo on The Headbadge?

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Kurt, that's a '75 according to the owner that has it for sale in out classifed.
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Old 02-09-12 | 06:21 PM
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Kurt, that's a '75 according to the owner that has it for sale in out classifed.
Still a Canadian example. Very interesting. BF classifieds?

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