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LanceRides 03-26-12 09:15 AM

Mathauser Brake Pad Instruction insert scan
 
These were really nice pads that I used for years; finned mount to dissipate heat, curved pad for more rim contact.

Found a complete set that's been in my closet since the early 1980's. Pretty sure I was using them by 1982. Here's a scan of the instruction insert.

On Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26533829@N00/7017800605/

unworthy1 03-26-12 09:53 AM

nice to see this (again) for posterity. The last set I sold had this card (with the pads in a stapled-on baggie). I sold them rather than use them because I believe that the glued-on pads can't be trusted to stay glued on to that fine-looking finned heat-sink. Maybe I'm duped but I think they suitable for "display only"...if you used them "for years" with no problems then good on ya, mate!

Old Yeller 03-26-12 10:01 AM

I dont think they were glued. I remember mine being somewhat dovetailed and pinned as well.

unworthy1 03-26-12 10:04 AM

Not sure about the entire run of product, but at least the early ones were glued. They may have improved the design, later.
http://bmxmuseum.com/forsale/30042

Chombi 03-26-12 10:05 AM

That " DO NOT TRY IT!" note about not trying to do your own installation or adjustments on the brake pads yourself is just......stupid.... What's the point of providing the instruction sheet for the brake pads then??
I'm sure putting that notice on the instructions was driven by their company lawyers, but it just reinforces the non-self reliance and responsibilty for ourselves and our actions. I didn't think it was that bad already back then but I guess it was......

BTW, are the finned Mathauser brakes holders/pads hard to find and expensive these days? I might consider using them on my early 70's bike project in place of the overpriced OEM pads that I need to find for the Campy NR calipers on bike, which are so crazy expensive out there if you find them.

Chombi

cudak888 03-26-12 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Chombi (Post 14018040)
BTW, are the finned Mathauser brakes holders/pads hard to find and expensive these days?

The last NOS, bagged set I had sold for $132 (IIRC). Previous to that, I sold a well-used set for $32. One of the local shops tried to charge me $10 for a single NOS pad recently.

The prices these things bring are ridiculous.

-Kurt

unworthy1 03-26-12 10:19 AM

just for spit & grins, here's a little tidbit form Jobst Brandt's blog, where he mentions that the finned "heat sink" pad bodies actually do nothing practical:

"Talking to the KoolStop people at the annual bicycle trade show, I
learned that it is a KoolStop formulation and that they make pads for
most of the smaller brand brakes, including Matthauser. You might
recall that the Matthauser brake pads had cooling fins on the rear.
This was as scientifically incorrect as the compound. Effectively no
heat passes through the brake pad that is an insulator. The heat must
go into the rim to be dissipated."

As with all things Brandt and Controversial: YRMV. (but what he says here makes sense to me)

LanceRides 03-26-12 10:27 AM

This set definitely looks glued. Never had a problem over many loaded touring miles.

Interesting point about the heat not passing through to the fins. I'll have to try touching the base at the bottom of a long hill.

For the archives - some photos of this pair of NOS pads, as well as the pair that's still sitting on my wife's bike.

It's in a Flickr set at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2653382...th/6871895084/

rootboy 03-26-12 10:27 AM

I thought the "DO NOT try this at home" warning amusing too. Never had a set of the finned ones ...the "heat sink" theory, I agree, sounds like hokum.... but I do still have an old set of the Matthauser Record replacement pads. Never used them. I wonder if they're still good?

The two piece conical washer thing was a clever idea.

Chombi 03-26-12 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 14018077)
The last NOS, bagged set I had sold for $132 (IIRC). Previous to that, I sold a well-used set for $32. One of the local shops tried to charge me $10 for a single NOS pad recently.

The prices these things bring are ridiculous.

-Kurt

$132?! Yikes! That's a lot of money!.......but still cheaper than the NR pad/holders (with the wheel guides) at ebay right now that will cost something like a crazy $220 for a set of four! Having C&V Campy stuff on a bike sure makes it harder to finish a resto project.
Maybe I'll check my LBS to see if they have some bouncing around in their old parts drawers....

Chombi

cudak888 03-26-12 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Chombi (Post 14018231)
Having C&V Campy stuff on a bike sure makes it harder to finish a resto project.

On the contrary; it's easier to find old Campagnolo kicking about than small makes.

-Kurt

Chombi 03-26-12 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 14018818)
On the contrary; it's easier to find old Campagnolo kicking about than small makes.

-Kurt

But do they ever sell for reasonable prices?? That's the killer....

Chombi

cudak888 03-26-12 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Chombi (Post 14018909)
But do they ever sell for reasonable prices?? That's the killer....

Helps to have a lot of local shops.

-Kurt

Michael Angelo 03-26-12 04:34 PM

you guys know that they are still being made??

http://www.yokozunausa.com/brakepadsshoes.html

rootboy 03-26-12 04:45 PM

Ah but, they don't have the cool aluminum fins anymore.

Chombi 03-26-12 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 14019931)
Ah but, they don't have the cool aluminum fins anymore.

Yah!,....I guess we can blame it on Jobst Brandt,........The wisenheimer!:D:p

Chombi

noglider 03-26-12 05:00 PM

I have four of the finned shoes on my old McLean. Interestingly, the nuts use a 15mm wrench! It's crazy that they command such a high price now. But they have been working well for me all these years.

I remember when Jobst wrote that thing about the cooling fins. He's right: I have observed that rims heat up, not brake shoes.

Drillium Dude 03-26-12 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by cudak888 (Post 14018077)
The prices these things bring are ridiculous.

Unless, of course you're the seller :)

This pair sold for $172.51; I think it was the custom paint-job I did on them:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6018/6...cd18bbea_b.jpg

DD

Chombi 03-26-12 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by Drillium Dude (Post 14020073)
Unless, of course you're the seller :)

This pair sold for $172.51; I think it was the custom paint-job I did on them:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6018/6...cd18bbea_b.jpg

DD

Wow!, so khewl with those fins!:thumb::thumb:........Maybe if you drilled the fins with your pin drills you could have gotten double the money!:D


Chombi

LanceRides 03-26-12 05:37 PM

Dude! Those are great!
What are those colors? It looks like a flag, but what country?

Michael Angelo 03-26-12 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 14019931)
Ah but, they don't have the cool aluminum fins anymore.

Take a closer look, they do have fins. Oh well most of them do.....

zonatandem 03-26-12 05:47 PM

Used the Matt-Pads on our tandem a few decades ago.
Put 57,000 miles on them; then sold the bike with the Matt-pads still working, but a bit worn!
Pedal on!
Rudy anbd Kay/zonatandem

bikingshearer 03-26-12 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 14017972)
nice to see this (again) for posterity. The last set I sold had this card (with the pads in a stapled-on baggie). I sold them rather than use them because I believe that the glued-on pads can't be trusted to stay glued on to that fine-looking finned heat-sink. Maybe I'm duped but I think they suitable for "display only"...if you used them "for years" with no problems then good on ya, mate!


Originally Posted by unworthy1 (Post 14018113)
just for spit & grins, here's a little tidbit form Jobst Brandt's blog, where he mentions that the finned "heat sink" pad bodies actually do nothing practical:

"Talking to the KoolStop people at the annual bicycle trade show, I
learned that it is a KoolStop formulation and that they make pads for
most of the smaller brand brakes, including Matthauser. You might
recall that the Matthauser brake pads had cooling fins on the rear.
This was as scientifically incorrect as the compound. Effectively no
heat passes through the brake pad that is an insulator. The heat must
go into the rim to be dissipated."

As with all things Brandt and Controversial: YRMV. (but what he says here makes sense to me)


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 14019980)
I have four of the finned shoes on my old McLean. Interestingly, the nuts use a 15mm wrench! It's crazy that they command such a high price now. But they have been working well for me all these years.

I remember when Jobst wrote that thing about the cooling fins. He's right: I have observed that rims heat up, not brake shoes.

FWIW, I had a set on my old Bob Jackson, running them on Mafac Copmpetitions and sew-up wheels. I went on a killer century in Santa Barbara many years ago that included a run down Gilbralter Rd., which goes from Camino Cielo on the top of the ridge to close to the Santa Barbara flatlands. It is steep and curvy, and you better have some clue about what you are doing. Either that or not care too much about your personal well-being. About half way down, I looked down at my front wheel. The heat from braking had melted the glue :eek: and the tire had rolled about 90 degrees so that I was riding on the sidewall. :eek::eek::eek: When I managed to get stopped, the rims were burn-my-fingers hot, and it took a while for them cool down enough so I could reposition the tires. (It took me a little longer to get up the balls to resume heading down the road.) The brake pads and holders? Cool as the other side of the pillow.

No this doesn't prove anything and the story is worth exactly what you paid for it. but it consistent with Jobst Brandt's position.


Originally Posted by LanceRides (Post 14020124)
Dude! Those are great!
What are those colors? It looks like a flag, but what country?

Those are the Rainbow Jersey World Champion colors that winners of the - wait for it - World Championships every year get to wear for the next year.

cudak888 03-26-12 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Drillium Dude (Post 14020073)
Unless, of course you're the seller :)

This pair sold for $172.51; I think it was the custom paint-job I did on them:

Now that's more like it - a set that needs no excuse to command that type of a price. Brilliant work as always, Jeff.

-Kurt

Old Yeller 03-26-12 08:28 PM

Mine were definitely different. The aluminum holder was an extrusion with a C channel on the pad side and fins on the other. The pads simply slid in and were pinned down through the top on each end. Instead of conical washers they had tapered shims to angle the shoes. These were purchased about 1984 and installed on Gran Compe brakes. I wonder if they were the real thing or Nashbar knockoffs.


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