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Mathauser Brake Pad Instruction insert scan
These were really nice pads that I used for years; finned mount to dissipate heat, curved pad for more rim contact.
Found a complete set that's been in my closet since the early 1980's. Pretty sure I was using them by 1982. Here's a scan of the instruction insert. On Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26533829@N00/7017800605/ |
nice to see this (again) for posterity. The last set I sold had this card (with the pads in a stapled-on baggie). I sold them rather than use them because I believe that the glued-on pads can't be trusted to stay glued on to that fine-looking finned heat-sink. Maybe I'm duped but I think they suitable for "display only"...if you used them "for years" with no problems then good on ya, mate!
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I dont think they were glued. I remember mine being somewhat dovetailed and pinned as well.
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Not sure about the entire run of product, but at least the early ones were glued. They may have improved the design, later.
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That " DO NOT TRY IT!" note about not trying to do your own installation or adjustments on the brake pads yourself is just......stupid.... What's the point of providing the instruction sheet for the brake pads then??
I'm sure putting that notice on the instructions was driven by their company lawyers, but it just reinforces the non-self reliance and responsibilty for ourselves and our actions. I didn't think it was that bad already back then but I guess it was...... BTW, are the finned Mathauser brakes holders/pads hard to find and expensive these days? I might consider using them on my early 70's bike project in place of the overpriced OEM pads that I need to find for the Campy NR calipers on bike, which are so crazy expensive out there if you find them. Chombi |
Originally Posted by Chombi
(Post 14018040)
BTW, are the finned Mathauser brakes holders/pads hard to find and expensive these days?
The prices these things bring are ridiculous. -Kurt |
just for spit & grins, here's a little tidbit form Jobst Brandt's blog, where he mentions that the finned "heat sink" pad bodies actually do nothing practical:
"Talking to the KoolStop people at the annual bicycle trade show, I learned that it is a KoolStop formulation and that they make pads for most of the smaller brand brakes, including Matthauser. You might recall that the Matthauser brake pads had cooling fins on the rear. This was as scientifically incorrect as the compound. Effectively no heat passes through the brake pad that is an insulator. The heat must go into the rim to be dissipated." As with all things Brandt and Controversial: YRMV. (but what he says here makes sense to me) |
This set definitely looks glued. Never had a problem over many loaded touring miles.
Interesting point about the heat not passing through to the fins. I'll have to try touching the base at the bottom of a long hill. For the archives - some photos of this pair of NOS pads, as well as the pair that's still sitting on my wife's bike. It's in a Flickr set at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2653382...th/6871895084/ |
I thought the "DO NOT try this at home" warning amusing too. Never had a set of the finned ones ...the "heat sink" theory, I agree, sounds like hokum.... but I do still have an old set of the Matthauser Record replacement pads. Never used them. I wonder if they're still good?
The two piece conical washer thing was a clever idea. |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 14018077)
The last NOS, bagged set I had sold for $132 (IIRC). Previous to that, I sold a well-used set for $32. One of the local shops tried to charge me $10 for a single NOS pad recently.
The prices these things bring are ridiculous. -Kurt Maybe I'll check my LBS to see if they have some bouncing around in their old parts drawers.... Chombi |
Originally Posted by Chombi
(Post 14018231)
Having C&V Campy stuff on a bike sure makes it harder to finish a resto project.
-Kurt |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 14018818)
On the contrary; it's easier to find old Campagnolo kicking about than small makes.
-Kurt Chombi |
Originally Posted by Chombi
(Post 14018909)
But do they ever sell for reasonable prices?? That's the killer....
-Kurt |
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Ah but, they don't have the cool aluminum fins anymore.
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Originally Posted by rootboy
(Post 14019931)
Ah but, they don't have the cool aluminum fins anymore.
Chombi |
I have four of the finned shoes on my old McLean. Interestingly, the nuts use a 15mm wrench! It's crazy that they command such a high price now. But they have been working well for me all these years.
I remember when Jobst wrote that thing about the cooling fins. He's right: I have observed that rims heat up, not brake shoes. |
Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 14018077)
The prices these things bring are ridiculous.
This pair sold for $172.51; I think it was the custom paint-job I did on them: http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6018/6...cd18bbea_b.jpg DD |
Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
(Post 14020073)
Unless, of course you're the seller :)
This pair sold for $172.51; I think it was the custom paint-job I did on them: http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6018/6...cd18bbea_b.jpg DD Chombi |
Dude! Those are great!
What are those colors? It looks like a flag, but what country? |
Originally Posted by rootboy
(Post 14019931)
Ah but, they don't have the cool aluminum fins anymore.
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Used the Matt-Pads on our tandem a few decades ago.
Put 57,000 miles on them; then sold the bike with the Matt-pads still working, but a bit worn! Pedal on! Rudy anbd Kay/zonatandem |
Originally Posted by unworthy1
(Post 14017972)
nice to see this (again) for posterity. The last set I sold had this card (with the pads in a stapled-on baggie). I sold them rather than use them because I believe that the glued-on pads can't be trusted to stay glued on to that fine-looking finned heat-sink. Maybe I'm duped but I think they suitable for "display only"...if you used them "for years" with no problems then good on ya, mate!
Originally Posted by unworthy1
(Post 14018113)
just for spit & grins, here's a little tidbit form Jobst Brandt's blog, where he mentions that the finned "heat sink" pad bodies actually do nothing practical:
"Talking to the KoolStop people at the annual bicycle trade show, I learned that it is a KoolStop formulation and that they make pads for most of the smaller brand brakes, including Matthauser. You might recall that the Matthauser brake pads had cooling fins on the rear. This was as scientifically incorrect as the compound. Effectively no heat passes through the brake pad that is an insulator. The heat must go into the rim to be dissipated." As with all things Brandt and Controversial: YRMV. (but what he says here makes sense to me)
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 14019980)
I have four of the finned shoes on my old McLean. Interestingly, the nuts use a 15mm wrench! It's crazy that they command such a high price now. But they have been working well for me all these years.
I remember when Jobst wrote that thing about the cooling fins. He's right: I have observed that rims heat up, not brake shoes. No this doesn't prove anything and the story is worth exactly what you paid for it. but it consistent with Jobst Brandt's position.
Originally Posted by LanceRides
(Post 14020124)
Dude! Those are great!
What are those colors? It looks like a flag, but what country? |
Originally Posted by Drillium Dude
(Post 14020073)
Unless, of course you're the seller :)
This pair sold for $172.51; I think it was the custom paint-job I did on them: -Kurt |
Mine were definitely different. The aluminum holder was an extrusion with a C channel on the pad side and fins on the other. The pads simply slid in and were pinned down through the top on each end. Instead of conical washers they had tapered shims to angle the shoes. These were purchased about 1984 and installed on Gran Compe brakes. I wonder if they were the real thing or Nashbar knockoffs.
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