Line in downtube
#1
Line in downtube
So I got this "NOS" Moulton Fuse off of ebay. Not NOS (in painting all over the place), but
I am not too bent out of shape about that. I plan to ride it and it won't be as concerned now about damaging the paint. Might have bid less though.
Anyway, there is a line in the bottom side of the downtube near the BB. What do you think? Is that stress? Is it common to get damage there from an accident? As of now I don't see any other "stress" damage.
I am not too bent out of shape about that. I plan to ride it and it won't be as concerned now about damaging the paint. Might have bid less though.
Anyway, there is a line in the bottom side of the downtube near the BB. What do you think? Is that stress? Is it common to get damage there from an accident? As of now I don't see any other "stress" damage.
#3
Decrepit Member
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 10,488
Likes: 92
From: Santa Rosa, California
Bikes: Waterford 953 RS-22, several Paramounts
I'd take some Jasco paint remover to that local area to see what's going on under the paint.
#4
Senior Member


Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 12,564
Likes: 2,739
From: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Bikes: 1958 Rabeneick 120D, 1968 Legnano Gran Premio, 196? Torpado Professional, 2000 Marinoni Piuma
If the bicycle were allowed to sit outside in an environment where freezing temperatures are normal, at certain times of the year, water that finds it way inside of a bicycle frame will freeze. The water expands when freezing and with powerful force. I have seen my share of chain stays mushroomed out to the point where the tubing actually split.
Look elsewhere on the frame for bulging. Usually, the ice thing is most noticeable on the underside of the chain stays.
I am not saying that that is the case, in this instance, but it is one possibility. To that possibility, add this...
You might have better luck finding answers, if you show a big picture of the bicycle, so that we can see the profile. Crash damage can sometimes be determined by looking directly at the side of the bicycle.
Look elsewhere on the frame for bulging. Usually, the ice thing is most noticeable on the underside of the chain stays.
I am not saying that that is the case, in this instance, but it is one possibility. To that possibility, add this...
You might have better luck finding answers, if you show a big picture of the bicycle, so that we can see the profile. Crash damage can sometimes be determined by looking directly at the side of the bicycle.
__________________
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
"98% of the bikes I buy are projects".
#5
+1: looks like a rust "spiderweb"...if you don't want to remove paint (and then do the touch-up) you might get away with just puncturing the 'web' with a sharp needle and applying acid (Phosphoric would be my choice) so it soaks in.
This may result in the paint directly over the web coming off, anyway, so you may want to have some touch-up at hand.
This may result in the paint directly over the web coming off, anyway, so you may want to have some touch-up at hand.
#7
+1: looks like a rust "spiderweb"...if you don't want to remove paint (and then do the touch-up) you might get away with just puncturing the 'web' with a sharp needle and applying acid (Phosphoric would be my choice) so it soaks in.
This may result in the paint directly over the web coming off, anyway, so you may want to have some touch-up at hand.
This may result in the paint directly over the web coming off, anyway, so you may want to have some touch-up at hand.
Last edited by bikemore; 04-10-12 at 11:53 AM.
#12
Thrifty Bill

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 23,642
Likes: 1,106
From: Mans of NC & SW UT Desert
Bikes: 86 Katakura Silk, 87 Prologue X2, 88 Cimarron LE, 1975 Sekai 4000 Professional, 73 Paramount, plus more
+1 Its rust.
If I paid ebay NOS type pricing, and got a frame that was clearly NOT NOS and with some signs of rust, I would be contacting seller immediately.
One of my pet peeves on ebay are sellers who misrepresent bike stuff as NOS. Now if you got what you think is a deal on it, move on and enjoy it.
If I paid ebay NOS type pricing, and got a frame that was clearly NOT NOS and with some signs of rust, I would be contacting seller immediately.
One of my pet peeves on ebay are sellers who misrepresent bike stuff as NOS. Now if you got what you think is a deal on it, move on and enjoy it.
#13
If I paid ebay NOS type pricing, and got a frame that was clearly NOT NOS and with some signs of rust, I would be contacting seller immediately.
One of my pet peeves on ebay are sellers who misrepresent bike stuff as NOS. Now if you got what you think is a deal on it, move on and enjoy it.
After I pointed out that it was not NOS (a number of photos made that clear) he quickly offered a partial refund. It is a unusual bike and a bit of rust won't kill the deal
for me. The refund was decent, so I am now on to figuring out what to do with the frame.
#14
My Raleigh Competition had lines like that in the same location. I was sure they were cracks until I stripped the paint and found rust "spiderwebs". I had even thought about cutting it up and throwing it in the trash since I couldn't sell or even give away a cracked frame.
#15
My Raleigh Competition had lines like that in the same location. I was sure they were cracks until I stripped the paint and found rust "spiderwebs". I had even thought about cutting it up and throwing it in the trash since I couldn't sell or even give away a cracked frame.
#16
Thrifty Bill

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 23,642
Likes: 1,106
From: Mans of NC & SW UT Desert
Bikes: 86 Katakura Silk, 87 Prologue X2, 88 Cimarron LE, 1975 Sekai 4000 Professional, 73 Paramount, plus more
With rust like this one, I use a dremel carefully to expose the rust, and either spot treat, or go the full OA bath route. Assuming rust is just in this area, I would spot treat.
#17
Get off my lawn!


Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 6,035
Likes: 118
From: The Garden State
Bikes: 1917 Loomis, 1923 Rudge, 1930 Hercules Renown, 1947 Mclean, 1948 JA Holland, 1955 Hetchins, 1957 Carlton Flyer, 1962 Raleigh Sport, 1978&81 Raleigh Gomp GS', 2010 Raliegh Clubman
Looks kinda like an older repair. The Lug appears to look abraided as well as the tube between the lug and the line that is being refered to as the spiderweb. From the photo, it looks like the area has been repainted.
#18
Ya, the repainting was the big clue on it not being NOS. There were a lot of repainted areas (well 10 or so small ones). The spider web area looks like original paint, the repainted area looks to me like a lot of the other repainted areas. Just covering up a paint ding.
#19
Senior Member


Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 7,714
Likes: 4,104
From: Berkeley, CA
Bikes: 72 Cilo Pacer, 72 Gitane GT, 72 Peugeot PX10, 73 Speedwell Ti,l, 75 Peugeot PR-10L, 80 Colnago Super, 81 Zinn, 85 ALAN Cross, 85 De Rosa Pro, 86 Look 753, 86 Look KG86, 89 Parkpre Team, 90 Parkpre Team MTB, 90 Merlin
+1 to rust. Reminds me of my Nishiki Competition, which definitely had "rust spider webs." It had a fair amount of rust when I bought it, and I gave it an Oxalic Acid bath, but the webs remained. unworthy1 also recommended a similar approach with mine (slitting open the spider web lines and, in my case, back in the OA bath). My Nishiki is/was in much worse condition, but the lines look very similar. My guess is there was a fair amount of rust which was treated to some extent and then disguised with touch up paint. Check out this link: Damaged paint - advice needed (rust removed, lines remain)
__________________
-Randy
'72 Cilo Pacer (x2) • '72 Peugeot PX10 • ‘72 Gitane Gran Tourisme • '73 Speedwell Ti • '74 Motobecane Grand Jubile • '74 Peugeot UE-8 • ‘80 Colnago Super • ‘81 Univega Super Special • ‘82 Zinn • ‘84ish Mystery Custom • '85 A.L.A.N Cyclocross • '85 De Rosa Pro • '86 Look Equipe 753 • '86 Look KG86 • '89 Parkpre Team Road • '90 Parkpre Team MTB • '90 Merlin Ti
Avatar photo courtesy of jeffveloart.com, contact: contact: jeffnil8 (at) gmail.com.
-Randy
'72 Cilo Pacer (x2) • '72 Peugeot PX10 • ‘72 Gitane Gran Tourisme • '73 Speedwell Ti • '74 Motobecane Grand Jubile • '74 Peugeot UE-8 • ‘80 Colnago Super • ‘81 Univega Super Special • ‘82 Zinn • ‘84ish Mystery Custom • '85 A.L.A.N Cyclocross • '85 De Rosa Pro • '86 Look Equipe 753 • '86 Look KG86 • '89 Parkpre Team Road • '90 Parkpre Team MTB • '90 Merlin Ti
Avatar photo courtesy of jeffveloart.com, contact: contact: jeffnil8 (at) gmail.com.
#21
Full Member
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 354
Likes: 0
Bikes: team miyata, '73 p-14, MB-3, centurion lemans, Mystery TT, mongoose atb '85










