quill stem in 130 however if your going to ride it and the bicycle fits with the threadless well there is your answer it works

That's more of a cut steerer problem than a threadless stem problem.

Some people don't like the look of spacers above stem, either, though. That's just an aesthetics problem.

Of course the threadless adjustment would still take a bit more than quill adjustment. Perhaps 90 seconds instead of 30.

Now if the two of you had needed stems with different reaches then he'd be much better off.

If you needed to get your bars up and couldn't, I don't see how that is a problem with the stem system... That is a problem with the user.

Once I get in some rides and determine where my bars should be, I haven't had to change it. You guys act like every time you ride, you must change adjust your stem. No, that is not what a stem is for. A threadless stem does what it is suppose to do. Dial in fit and hold the bars and provide rigidity to the cockpit. Once you dial in fit, which is something you need to do threaded or threadless then what is there left to compare between a quill and threaded? Stiffness? That's the main purpose they serve. And there is no doubt that they are stiffer than quill stems.

Funny, I don't see how cutting a steerer too short is a problem with the stem. Must be the owner.

Clearly it's an operator error issue - no one should ever have to adjust the height of their stem once it's set.

I was simply providing a contrary opinion to the ‘threadless systems are superior’ post for the OP’s information.

YMMV

Too bad the facts weren't on your side. Being contrary just for the sake of it isn't helpful.

I wasn't being contrary for the sake of it and I don't appreciate the accusation. I've notice your tone with others on the forum - maybe it's time for a break.

I think you answered your question. Your first sentence states NOT to provide adjustment, that is why They come in different Lengths, angles and heights, since the STEM does NOT provide adjustments.

I also think the Threadless is more functional, easier to change bars, but Quill looks much better on a classic Steel bike.

I think it's likely that you are misreading sarcasm.

I would agree with the Colonel if he changed his statement to "mechanically" superior. Threadless is also functionally superior in terms of ease of bar changes, but not so in terms of adjustment. Though to change stems on quill, you have to rip everything apart...

There have actually been a few quill stems with faceplates.

I have 1.5cm of height adjustment on one of my MTBs, just 1cm on the other. Coulda gone with more if I'd wanted to (actually I still could. It has a cable hanger in the stack, if I got a fork mounted cable hanger I could add more spacers in stack and have about 1.7cm of height adjustment range). I've had a Salsa stem that only had about 2cm height adjustment available. So not a big difference there.

Of course someone with a long-headtubed frame and a Technomic stem could have MEGA RANGE QUILL setup, but ...

I remember vividly my first taste of Schlitz beer in 1976, and my initial reaction to threadless stems was similar: blech! Mountainbike stems on a road bike? Sure hope that fad dies quickly!

But time is a magician that is cruel to beauty and kind to ugliness. Eventually I got used to, and even came to love the taste of beer, and I've also gotten to love the easy switchability*, and yeah, even the look of threadless stems. Different strokes.

*I can change stem lengths, flip a stem, or simply add more spacers to raise the threadless adaptor. Changing a quill stem means disengaging the brakes, removing the levers, removing the tape, etc.

Yes it is.

I will fight you!

If one wants easy bar removal and installation you can also get something like this ITM model 700 clamshell clamp type quill stem....
I dunno, but I'm liking this ITM over my other stems now......
Here's another view of the ITM 700 next to other quill stems in my stash that have "alternative" bar clamp types:

From top to bottom, Mavic with dove tail jointed clamp, 3TTT with Titan Pantographing (It has a wedge tupe clamp), And the ITM 700 pictured above,with clamshell type clamp.
I think, mostly for aesthetic reasons, I just can't consider using threadless type stems on any of my bikes. Maybe after some years I might reconsider when they have more C&V flavor to them....

Chombi

Why is threadless a superior system? I have both and have raced both for many years and I don't notice a difference except that quill looks right on the older bikes and threadless looks right on modern bikes. FWIW I don't think stiff is superior.

I move my tall Technomic stem up when I'm touring and down for everything else. To say that adjustability doesn't provide me with function, that... really rustles my jimmies!

Threadless setups don't preclude height adjustment possibilities. Might be a tad awkward if you go for more than a couple or three inches, though. This stack would be in your face if you moved the stem to the bottom.

i really like this stem. too bad i didn't know about it earlier, i scratched up my 42cm ergo handlebar trying to put it in my quill stem. Where can i find one? What is the weight on it? Thanks

Good Point !

I think the stem was issued by ITM sometime in the middle 90's. I chanced upon it early last year at eBay. There we a couple more that popped up from the same seller, I think, a bit later, but I haven't seen them for sale there in a while now. Just keep checking by doing regular searches on "ITM stem" and maybe you can snag one too.
A bit heavier than the usual stem, because of the beefier clamp and hinge area, but not that bad. The interesting shape and silver over black anodizing caught my eye when I first saw it and I knew I had to have it.....helps that my bikes are mostly slver and black......
BTW, the clamp diameter is 25.4mm, I believe ITM makes a lot of bars of this size, so it should not be a problem finding one to match up to the stem.

Chombi

One threadless bonus for height adjustment junkies is that spacers conveniently come in .5 and 1 cm sizes so it's easier to readjust - don't need a ruler.

Quill, if you desire the bike to retain it's classic appearance. How would you put a threadless stem on an older bike that wasn't made for it? You can use a quill adapter to hold the threadless stem, but the only advantages you are gaining are stem choice and ease of changing out bars/stems in the future. I have one of those adapters on my tandem as I couldn't find a quill stem in the size I needed, but I could get a threadless.

I have an '88 Schwinn Prologue. It has a quill stem with one of those more modern oval shaped stems with a removable plate. It just doesn't look right, though getting the bars off is easy. I recently traded someone for an 80mm old style stem to make it look right.

Ahhh, the dreaded Profile H2O style stem. I have one on my Diamondback Interval. It doesn't look so bad to me when I'm on the bike but it sure looks bad when I look at it from off the bike.

Yep.

Definitely Quill. Even if they are functionally inferior (and I'm not convinced that they are), they're aesthetically superior by far on a vintage bike.