Welcome, [MENTION=378224]hubert288[/MENTION]! Sounds good. It's always nice to have some history with the bike. Looking forward to the pictures. The best way to show them here is to upload them to a picture hosting site (such as FLICKR, or Photobucket), and then link to them from here using the 'Insert Image' icon. Choose 'From URL' and un-check 'Retrieve File etc.'. Then they show up nice and big.

Ik heb een RIH met framenummer 2194. Iemand enig idee uit welk jaar deze fiets is?

Welcome, i will type the answer in Dutch.

Ze zijn bij RIH sport bezig hun archief te digitaliseren en hebben goede data over alle gebouwde fietsen dus ze kunnen je vast wel helpen als je een mailtje stuurt.

mail@rihsportamsterdam.nl

Het adres voor als je langs wil gaan

• Gedempt Hamerkanaal 77
• 1012KP Amsterdam, Netherlands

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Guess this is it.

Check :)

Very nice bike, not sure about the repaint though.

Hi all, any idea as to what this frame's pedigree might be?

Not sure whether the paint is original. Judging from the serial, she's a late 1960s model that was built by Fongers (?)

The head tube is stamped with "118K", there are no markings on the bottom bracket, there's "REYNOLDS 531" stickers on the seat tube and fork legs, and the down tube decal reads "BUSTRAAN HOLLAND". Dropouts are Campagnolo.

Thanks in advance!

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The K would make it 1967 Fongers RIH. Looks like a nice frame! Are you going to build it up?

Hello all classic bikes fans

I have gotten a RIH bike from a friend who lives close to Groningen. I have cleaned it, and lubrificated all the parts and refreshed the wheels with new spokes. It has Mafac dural forge brakes, luxe Citam stem, Steenbergen/A. Schotte steer, Huret Allvit 5 gears, Nervar chainwheel, Normandy hubs. It has a blue RIH plate on the front, RIH Amsterdam written on it. Further it has the Rih on both sides with the bustraan amsterdam in between. The are nu numbers ingraved at the place where normally the RIH amsterdam or Fongers are engraved. At the bottom of the headset on the left side i find the number 60.....at the lug on top of the seatpost I find the number 73....at the seatpost self i find a really ingraved number O5567 (zero or the letter O) and maybe followed by a K or X or this is some kind of damage...!!! This number can also be some kind of anti theft registration number. I am really happy riding the bike. I am born in 1968 in the Westerstraat, Amsterdam...almost above the RIH shop. Would like to know some more.... A man who has worked in the Fongers factory say to me it's not a Fongers but one made for sure in Amsterdam....and somebody from RIH said that he thinks it's not made in Amsterdam. Who know more...!!! I will add some more photo's soon!http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=421979

Welcome, Compay!

That's an interesting bike you've got there. From your description it sounds very much like it dates from the sixties, which which would mean either Amsterdam or Groningen. My guess is that '60' and '73' are the down tube and seat tube angles. If the decals are original, I would say 1968 or later.

Could you post more pictures of the details of your frame? Nice big pictures of the frame details would really help us with the identification.

hello, thanks for the reply. Here some more photographs. Strange for me after seeing a lot of RIH and Fongers-RIH. I see some quite old lugs at the headposts. The lugs at the Fongers-Rih are more simple formed. But I am not an expert. Thats why i am on this forum to share my RIH to expand the knowledge of this bike. I have taken a look at all the parts. Quite difficult because some parts are made for a long period...and can also be added later to this frame...or vice versa the bike is not that old but the old parts where still used because they were still in stock.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422162http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422163http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422164http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422165http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422166http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422167http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422168http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422169http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422170http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422171http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422172http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422173

some more photo's
ps forgot to take one of the number written on the bottom of the bracket
there you can find the number 181

for me its a mystery...it has no 4 digit RIH number on the headsets,
but also no 3 digit Fongers/Rih number and letter at the headpost

than it can be a RIH cove...but to be honest with the parts mounted and the form of the lugs
the RIH plate at the headset that says Amsterdam (i believe the blue plate at a RIH cove says RIH Holland)
maybe i have to remove the paint at the front lug headset to see if there is a number on it...?

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Is there a tubing decal? What ends and dropouts?

Thanks for the additional pictures, [MENTION=395016]compay[/MENTION]. They don't really help me yet, though. I haven't been able to match the lugs with anything I have on file so far, and the absence of a serial number on the lower headlug makes me believe that this particular frame was neither built in Amsterdam nor in Groningen.

Which leaves two possibilities: either it is not a RIH, or it is an early Cové frame. What puzzles me is that Cové only started building them in '73, and this bike looks decidedly earlier, especially the curve of the forks. Cové did use the Nervar cranks and Huret transmission on their builds though.

Do you perhaps have a better picture of the fork crown?

hello non fixie en elev 12k

there is nu tubing decal (for so far i understand what that means !!) so in dutch er is geen type vermelding...the only name you can find is RIH. Forgot to mention that on the bottom of the bracket is the number 181. I submit another photograph and the same photograph with the crop of the front. Hope to hear from you it's quite interesting for me. Also include a photo from a RIH cove...the lugs look the same but for the rest the frame and parts look much younger. By the way I believe that this RIH cove is handbuild..http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422597http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422598http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422599
If you take a good look the lugs used for the headpost are the same as mine. The fork is totally different...also the letters used for RIH are much more modern. The fork is quite straight also in contrast with mine which is much more curved.Quite a mystery. Also heard from somebody at the forum VintageR that the RIH cove did not had Amsterdam written on the the blue RIH plate at the headsets...but RIH Holland

Thanks, [MENTION=395016]compay[/MENTION]. I'm stumped. It doesn't look like any RIH I've seen before (which says very little, I might add).

Without the decals I would say it's a late sixties, maybe early seventies, second tier semi-racing bike, from Holland, or maybe Belgium. But not a RIH.

Whatever it is, I like it, and I'd love to know what it is.

Anyone?

yes it's quite a story...when i look at the bicycle I assume the paint is original and also the name RIH is not added...paint and letters look really made at the same time.
Most interesting the lugs of the headset are exactly the same (for so far I can see) with the RIH cove. But more interesting these lugs look also more to the lugs they used in
early sixties....while the lugs from RIH fingers and RIH amsterdam from late sixties/early seventies look more simple....

I cannot believe it's not a RIH at all. Also the blue plate at the front looks really original and not added later...hope to hear more from other race bikes fans

The head badge is not mounted with copper nails. According to this thread: Fiets.nl ? Toon onderwerp - RIH Project Athena it is not a RIH from Amsterdam.

'Op Het balhoofdplaatje staat 'Holland': dat plaatje werd gebruikt in Venlo, maar de nagels zijn koper: die werden alleen in de Westerstraat gebruikt.'

op internet vind ik nu een foto van een RIH uit amsterdam....waarbij de head badge niet is ingeslagen met koperen nagels...zie hier op de fiets op deze link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/412842...57633492581102

ook interessant deze foto van een Jan Nieuwenhoff (also a dutch framebuilder from the Jordaan) mijn frame lijkt in zoverre ik het kan zijn exact op deze...pedalen zijn ook exact dezelfde...http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=422724

For those who haven't heard yet, sad news:

Another last ride ...

Hi! My name is Justin and i am a custom vintage bike builder and I have a question about à Rih frame. Maybe you van help me to find the year of production. Framenumber is 3953. My client only brought me a strippend frame. So I further would like to know which kind of parts were used for the gear equipement. Because my client would like to use his bike again to climb the alpes d'Huez.

Many thanks.

Justin
Frame vintage bikes
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Hello Justin. Welcome! What you've got there is an early Cové-built touring frame. It would have been fitted with fenders, a rack, lights, upright bars and a kick stand. The drive train would probably have been Nervar / Huret, with 5 speeds, maybe 10. I'm not familiar with the Cové serial numbering system, but I would guess it's from the early seventies. I'll see if I can find some examples of these bikes in my files.

Regarding the climbing of the Alpe d'Huez: this might not be the ideal frame for it.

[MENTION=395016]compay[/MENTION], De RIH op de foto's op flickr is volgens mij een frame uit Venlo, op de schuine buis staat 'Bustraan Holland', op de RIH's uit de Westerstraat staat Bustraan Amsterdam.

Hallo Julien ? de vos

bedankt voor bericht
ben er zelf nog totaal niet uit waar de fiets vandaan komt
grappig is dat het NERVAR cranckstel nergens te vinden is op internet
wel sommigen die er op lijken maar niet exact dezelfde
zelf vind ik het cranckstel heel fraaie

iemand uit de buurt heeft naar het frame gekeken en wist met zekerheid te zeggen dat de fiets uit amsterdam komt
hij zei dat er daar ook niet racefietsen vandaan kwamen die ook geen 4 cijferig nummer onder op balhoofd hadden ingeslagen

ik ga binnenkort eens met de fiets naar RIH in Amsterdam

wat is jouw analyse als je de foto's ziet?

Hallo Compay,
Ik heb afgelopen zomer een RIH gekocht bij RIH in Amsterdam Noord, ik ben een paar keer geweest en omdat er twijfel was over de herkomst van het frame dat ik bij hun kocht heb ik wat opgestoken over het verschil tussen Amsterdam en Venlo. Kortweg, in Amsterdam gebruikte ze koperen nagels voor een balhoofdplaatje waar Amsterdam op stond. Op de schuine buis staat Bustraan Amsterdam, maar dat had ik al gezegd.
Nog twee kenmerken: Wim van der Kaaij laste het schroefoog van de zadelpenklem aan het frame, en dat is op de Flickr foto's ook niet het geval, daar is het een losse bout. Hij maakte ook een opening in de zitbuis naar de liggende buis, die vorm maakte hij ovaal, maar dat kan je alleen zien als je de zadelpen eruit haalt. (http://www.juulonline.nl/RIH09.jpg)
Gezien deze kenmerken lijkt het frame geen Amsterdamse RIH.

Wat ik ook begrepen heb is dat de framenummering niet consequent is doorgevoerd, mijn Amsterdamse frame heeft ook 5 cijfers, en had bv ook een balhoofdplaatje (met koperen nagels) waar 'Holland op stond', en niet zoals gebruikelijk Amsterdam. In de beginjaren van Venlo zijn de framebouwers van Cove ook in Amsterdam geweest, in de leer bij Wim van der Kaaij, blijkbaar zijn er toen ook dingen door elkaar gaan lopen, Misschien heb je een frame uit die periode?

In Amsterdam hebben ze een kartonnen doosje met het archief van framenummers erin, maar niet compleet geloof ik. Ik denk dat ze bij RIH uitsluitsel kunnen geven, ik ben bepaald geen expert.
groet! Julian

Compay,
Haal ik nu twee fietsen door elkaar? Je hebt een link naar Flickr en een setje ander foto's. Gaat het om het frame met Bustraan Amsterdam op de schuine buis? Dat is idd een raadsel, die zou ik zeker meenemen naar Amsterdam Noord om het uit te zoeken. Ik durf het niet te zeggen...