Vintage German brands
11-02-12 | 01:03 PM
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Vintage German brands
Just wanted to pick your guru brains here. I'm looking for a vintage bike and I'm wondering what German brands are out there that I can look at. My searching came up with Kalkhoff but that's about it. Was there anything decent from Germany back in the day?
11-02-12 | 01:13 PM
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Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
Go and check out Velobase's list of German bikes:
https://velobase.com/BrandDirectory.aspx?Load=All
Click the ones on the list for "Germany" with the bike frame icons on them.
Chombi
https://velobase.com/BrandDirectory.aspx?Load=All
Click the ones on the list for "Germany" with the bike frame icons on them.
Chombi
11-02-12 | 02:02 PM
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Bikes: hans lutz, , puch mistral ultima,2x Austro Daimler Smoked chrome Ultima,Austro Daimler Mixte,Austro Daimler 531 mixte, flying arrow,F Moser,
My girl rides a HANS LUTZ.
I can say it is a nice frame and she loves it.
bike has been through alot of upgrades since this picture.
I can say it is a nice frame and she loves it.
bike has been through alot of upgrades since this picture.
11-02-12 | 02:03 PM
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From: finland,baltimore
Bikes: hans lutz, , puch mistral ultima,2x Austro Daimler Smoked chrome Ultima,Austro Daimler Mixte,Austro Daimler 531 mixte, flying arrow,F Moser,
11-02-12 | 03:10 PM
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Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
I don't see too many German C&V bikes out there. I suspect that lots of them stay in Germany or they just did not export many outside of their country.....I guess the best hunting ground for German C&V bikes would be.......Germany then,........but there are a few that do pop up at eBay occasionally, but never in the numbers that Italian, Japanese, French or American bikes do.
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11-02-12 | 03:15 PM
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Bikes: 72 Cilo Pacer, 72 Gitane GT, 72 Peugeot PX10, 73 Speedwell Ti,l, 75 Peugeot PR-10L, 80 Colnago Super, 81 Zinn, 85 ALAN Cross, 85 De Rosa Pro, 86 Look 753, 86 Look KG86, 89 Parkpre Team, 90 Parkpre Team MTB, 90 Merlin
Here's another useful link:
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Germany/Germany.htm
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Germany/Germany.htm
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11-02-12 | 03:34 PM
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Here's another useful link:
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Germany/Germany.htm
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Germany/Germany.htm
11-02-12 | 04:33 PM
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Here in Holland German bikes never had a very good reputation. In the 60's and the 70's the Germans were mainly known for their cheap sports bikes. This kind of stuff:
I own one German bike, a Kettler Alurad. As bought:
I own one German bike, a Kettler Alurad. As bought:
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11-02-12 | 04:59 PM
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https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ger..._Obermaier.htm
11-02-12 | 09:08 PM
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American Arrow made in west Germany, but quality wise I`m not too sure.
11-02-12 | 09:20 PM
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Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Since Ignatz Schwinn emigrated from Germany to the US, do Schwinns count?
Seriously, in the US we tend to see German cars and Austrian bicycles. In fact, that's what I see at home, with VW/Audi and Capo.
Seriously, in the US we tend to see German cars and Austrian bicycles. In fact, that's what I see at home, with VW/Audi and Capo.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
11-03-12 | 04:56 AM
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Talking about Hugo Rickert, you have to name his wife Doris too, she was doing all the lug lining and applying the decals. But there were so many German framebuilder, i can't think of, where to start. Lüders, Lauer, Schmidt, Köthke!!! Bauer!!! Polrad, Dürkopp, Rabeneick, Express, Adler and Stollenwerk (just to name a few). Here is a link to some of the best collections of German racing bicycles:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rembeti...oto_5256785375
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rembeti...oto_5256785375
11-03-12 | 06:17 AM
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Bikes: Trek 600 ,1980Raleigh Competition G.S., 1986 Schwinn Passage, Facet Biotour 2000, Falcon San Remo 531,Schwinn Sierra, Sun Seeker tricycle recumbent,1985 Bianchi Squadra
I had a Matthias Stollenwerk Bicycle once , It was a ten speed racing bike, and quite light and very well made . It was on a par with my old Raleigh Grand Prix from the early 70's, and made about the same time. The only Kettlers I have seen in my part of the US are exercise bikes except for a cargobike I once saw in a pawnshop . When I was a kid,I think my mother had a bike called a Wanderer . I think it may have been a three speed.
11-03-12 | 07:19 AM
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11-03-12 | 07:30 AM
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i bought a german 'commuter' in heidelberg in the early 70s. dunno the brand, but it had 3 gears, the front brake was a scrubber- a rod went through the top of the fender to a block
that rubbed on the tire tread, not the rim, and the rear was a coaster. bought new.
nice bike until i came down a mountain carrying a buddy
and burned up the rear brake- smoke pouring out of the
hub and after that the brake would stick when applied and not want to unstick.
that rubbed on the tire tread, not the rim, and the rear was a coaster. bought new.
nice bike until i came down a mountain carrying a buddy
and burned up the rear brake- smoke pouring out of the hub and after that the brake would stick when applied and not want to unstick.
11-03-12 | 07:38 AM
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One other German brand which has not been previously mentioned in Mondu.
The only German bicycle I've owned is a 1980's Hercules city bicycle. It was owned by the retired German chimney sweep who lived around the corner from my father. His family gave it to me, after he passed away. It was too finicky for them to maintain.
11-03-12 | 07:49 AM
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Thanks for the correction. You guys are not helping my lust for a vintage German bike lol. Google brought me this old thread, what a beauty:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ickert-Spezial
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ickert-Spezial
11-03-12 | 08:02 AM
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Bikes: Monark sportser 1970, Monark sportser 1970ish, Monark folder, Mustand 1985, Monark Tempo 1999, Monark 318 1975, Crescent 319 1979, Crescent 325 c:a 1965, Crescent Starren 2002 (hybrid/sport), Nordstjernan 1960`s cruiser.
They are hard to come by, even in Germany. Some images: 
Scharrer-Reiff-Heidelmann-Enik
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