Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Jackpot!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-09-12 | 08:20 PM
  #1  
AZORCH's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,123
Likes: 98
From: Liberty, Missouri

Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Jackpot!

Pics to follow later on this weekend, but suffice to say that I have stumbled upon a true treasure trove. A few weeks ago, a friend asked me to assist a local seller to come up with an asking price for his bike. The fellow came by my place with an early 70's Raleigh International, built up with some impressive parts, and set up as a touring bike. We chat for a long time - he's a really great guy to talk with - and he tells me about the other "bike or two" he's got at his house. A French tandem. A custom Gitane. A few others, and - apparently - a bunch of vintage parts, new in the box. I ask him to give me a call if he decides to sell anything.

Time goes by and I hear from him earlier this week. We make an appointment to visit this evening.

And here's the thing: I walked into Bike Nirvana. He's got unbuilt frames hanging in his garage, his barn, his attic. BOXES of new brakes, derailleurs, cranks, cables, pads, saddles - everything you can possibly imagine, and stuff I've NEVER seen before. I cannot buy everything he has unless I plan to open a vintage bike shop... unbelievable that he has this much stuff.

BTW, the International was my size and even though I definitely do NOT need another bike, it is out in the van right now. Along with two never used, still in the package, vintage Brooks Pro saddles; same for a Brooks Colt; same for a Cyclone RD; same for a complete Sugino Mighty Drillium crank set and BB; same for a patent 1970 Campy NR drive kit. Probably some other stuff that I'm forgetting - not to mention the VERY cool bars, levers, and brakes on the International. I am still in shock at the stuff this neat old gentleman had on hand. It was a real privilege to stand around chatting with him about bikes for a couple of hours tonight, he's an awesome fellow.

Oh, and he also has some great restored Mustangs too.
AZORCH is offline  
Reply
Old 11-09-12 | 08:26 PM
  #2  
Captain Blight's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,470
Likes: 5
From: Minneapolis

Bikes: -1973 Motobecane Mirage -197? Velosolex L'Etoile -'71 Raleigh Super Course

See, this is what makes me want to chew on the derailleurs. Good for you, yeah, but when's it gonna happen to me?!
Captain Blight is offline  
Reply
Old 11-09-12 | 08:29 PM
  #3  
RubberLegs's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,698
Likes: 6
From: Tampa Bay, Florida

Bikes: 87 Bridgestone 550 (Shocking Electric Metallic Pink)

PICTURES...or it didn't happen! ;-)
RubberLegs is offline  
Reply
Old 11-09-12 | 08:30 PM
  #4  
wrk101's Avatar
Thrifty Bill
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 23,645
Likes: 1,109
From: Mans of NC & SW UT Desert

Bikes: 86 Katakura Silk, 87 Prologue X2, 88 Cimarron LE, 1975 Sekai 4000 Professional, 73 Paramount, plus more

Another great example where word of mouth/networking trumps searching ebay, C/L, thrift stores, etc.
__________________
Please don't confuse ebay "asking" prices with "selling" prices. Many sellers never get their ask price. some are far from it. Value is determined once an item actually SELLS. Its easy enough to check SOLD prices.
wrk101 is offline  
Reply
Old 11-09-12 | 08:35 PM
  #5  
scozim's Avatar
Ellensburg, WA
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,791
Likes: 706
From: Lewiston, ID

Bikes: See my signature

Living vicariously ........ again
__________________
1984 Gitane Tour de France; 1982 Nishiki Marina 12; 1984 Peugeot PSV; 1993 Trek 950 mtb; 1991 GT Karakoram, 1983 Vitus 979; Colnago Super, 1989 Spectrum Titanium,






scozim is offline  
Reply
Old 11-09-12 | 08:47 PM
  #6  
AZORCH's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,123
Likes: 98
From: Liberty, Missouri

Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Originally Posted by RubberLegs
PICTURES...or it didn't happen! ;-)
Tomorrow, for sure!

(Oh, and did I mention the gold Mafac 2000 brakes and levers paired with gold Milano bars and stem?)

Last edited by AZORCH; 11-09-12 at 08:52 PM.
AZORCH is offline  
Reply
Old 11-09-12 | 08:47 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 14,492
Likes: 270
From: STP
Way to go!

Sounds like you had a blast.

Call you in the morning after the soccer match.
gomango is offline  
Reply
Old 11-09-12 | 08:50 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,776
Likes: 51
From: Work in Asia, now based in Vienna, VA
I have a bunch of friends in K.C.

I'm really thinking it is a time for a visit!!!
__________________
1959 Hilton Wrigley Connoisseur (my favorite!)
1963 Hetchins Mountain King
1971 Gitane Tour de France (original owner)
* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
* rebuilt as upright cruiser
1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
(replacing stolen 1981 TR Everest custom)
1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
LeicaLad is offline  
Reply
Old 11-09-12 | 11:29 PM
  #9  
Chris_in_Miami's Avatar
missing in action
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,483
Likes: 54
How cool is that?? Congrats and good luck!
Chris_in_Miami is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 05:40 AM
  #10  
ftwelder's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 3,081
Likes: 10
From: vermont

Bikes: Many

That sounds like a major score. It's great when the big cache comes in and we all huddle around the light..
ftwelder is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 05:43 AM
  #11  
rootboy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 16,748
Likes: 138
From: Wherever
Oh man. That's all I can say.
rootboy is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 06:19 AM
  #12  
Michael Angelo's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 3,904
Likes: 36
From: Hurricane Alley , Florida

Bikes: Treks (USA), Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn letour,Raleigh Team Professional, Gazelle GoldLine Racing, 2 Super Mondias, Carlton Professional.

Good catch !!
Michael Angelo is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 08:08 AM
  #13  
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 254
Likes: 3
From: Hudson Valley, NY
Originally Posted by AZORCH
Tomorrow, for sure!
It's tomorrow. Can't wait to see those photos!!!!!!!!!!
__________________
Steve
strock is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 08:17 AM
  #14  
AZORCH's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,123
Likes: 98
From: Liberty, Missouri

Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Originally Posted by strock
It's tomorrow. Can't wait to see those photos!!!!!!!!!!
OK, just a little taste, nothing fancy about the photographs - here's some of the stuff as I was unloading from the van this morning.





I REALLY wish I'd taken photos of all the stuff he still has, but I felt weird about doing that. I didn't want him to think I was casing the joint or anything, and he's a great guy - I'd like to go back out and just swap riding stories with him again, so I didn't want to mess up that opportunity. I may ask him if he'd be willing to sit for an interview for the blog and get some shots of him and his stuff then.

Lotta "if's"... IF I'd had thousands of dollars lying around unused (y'know, 'cuz of my outrageous teacher salary...), and IF I wasn't trimming back the collection, and IF I'd had a MUCH bigger van or flatbed, I could've walked away with scads of things. But heck, I'm not even building anything at the moment, and pretty happy with where my collection of riders is at the moment. I had to really keep myself in check from buying the (fits me) Gitane Racing Team he had in the barn. (I'm done with French for a while though.)

Oh, and one other cool thing before I forget about it: this guy was a machinist at Hallmark for his career. In other words, he makes stuff from scratch... and a lot of that shows up on the bikes he's got, some of which he should've patented because not only are they cool looking, but they are very functional and useful. Case in point: he machined a piece that allowed two cables to come out of one junction on his French Gottfried tandem... makes it look like a constructeur had a hand in the build.

Last edited by AZORCH; 11-10-12 at 08:22 AM.
AZORCH is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 08:23 AM
  #15  
photogravity's Avatar
Hopelessly addicted...
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,955
Likes: 13
From: Central Maryland

Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte

Ohh-lah-lah!! Nice... REALLY nice stuff! I love stories like this... Reminds me of the magic barn jjhabbs happened upon a few months back.
photogravity is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 08:27 AM
  #16  
AZORCH's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,123
Likes: 98
From: Liberty, Missouri

Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Originally Posted by photogravity
Reminds me of the magic barn jjhabbs happened upon a few months back.
Oh yeah... believe me when I say that jjhabbs treasure trove is precisely what was running through my mind last night. (Oddly enough, my wife thinks the guy just had boxes full of shiny old stuff and couldn't imagine how his wife would allow him to use up all that valuable attic space for unbuilt Houdaille bike frames, wheels, spokes, fenders, and other worthless junk...)
AZORCH is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 08:47 AM
  #17  
photogravity's Avatar
Hopelessly addicted...
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,955
Likes: 13
From: Central Maryland

Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte

Originally Posted by AZORCH
Oh yeah... believe me when I say that jjhabbs treasure trove is precisely what was running through my mind last night. (Oddly enough, my wife thinks the guy just had boxes full of shiny old stuff and couldn't imagine how his wife would allow him to use up all that valuable attic space for unbuilt Houdaille bike frames, wheels, spokes, fenders, and other worthless junk...)
It is typically a woman's thing to not understand this type of thing. <sigh> For the life of her, my wife can't understand why our basement now is full of bikes and parts, the living room has two boxes with unbuilt bikes along with another four bikes, and the dining room has four tandems between the dining room table and the windows.

After reading your post more closely, I realize that you mentioned this guy being a machinist. I would really like to see some of the stuff you mentioned in your post. Please try to get an interview with this guy and get some pictures of his handiwork. We can't afford to lose the knowledge this guy has in his head.
photogravity is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 09:00 AM
  #18  
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
Community Builder
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 21,868
Likes: 3,753
Originally Posted by photogravity
...
After reading your post more closely, I realize that you mentioned this guy being a machinist. I would really like to see some of the stuff you mentioned in your post. Please try to get an interview with this guy and get some pictures of his handiwork. We can't afford to lose the knowledge this guy has in his head.
I think that is the area to interview him on. Parts while neat are just parts.
Ideas and the ability to fabricate them are the interesting areas.
repechage is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 09:53 AM
  #19  
AZORCH's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,123
Likes: 98
From: Liberty, Missouri

Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Originally Posted by repechage
I think that is the area to interview him on. Parts while neat are just parts.
Ideas and the ability to fabricate them are the interesting areas.
And I completely agree with you. I've already sent him a request for an interview and photos with that particular focus. He seems a pretty humble guy, but he's very proud of his accomplishments so I'd like to think this might appeal to him.
AZORCH is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 10:12 AM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768
Likes: 10

Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon

Dang!
dbakl is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 10:19 AM
  #21  
rootboy's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 16,748
Likes: 138
From: Wherever
Double dang. I too would love to see what he has made, Azorch. Being an inveterate tinkerer myself I love that kind of thing. Seeing pics of his space and bikes and stash would be a bonus. Keep us posted.

BTW; a machinist for HALLMARK? You mean the greeting card company???
Guitars??? Auto parts ????
rootboy is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 10:28 AM
  #22  
Pars's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,421
Likes: 22
From: Aurora, IL

Bikes: '73 Raleigh RRA, 1986 Trek 500 commuter

Very cool! That is an unusual color for an International, or at least I haven't seen that one before. The interview with him will be a treat to read.
Pars is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 10:33 AM
  #23  
AZORCH's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,123
Likes: 98
From: Liberty, Missouri

Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Originally Posted by rootboy
Double dang. I too would love to see what he has made, Azorch. Being an inveterate tinkerer myself I love that kind of thing. Seeing pics of his space and bikes and stash would be a bonus. Keep us posted.

BTW; a machinist for HALLMARK? You mean the greeting card company???
Guitars??? Auto parts ????
Yep, Hallmark Cards. Think about it: the second largest employer of creative professional in the entire world (Disney is number one.) Every machine you can imagine to die cut and print cards, gift wrap, etc... most of which has to be created from scratch. Toys, intricate ornaments, gifts and housewares. They own Binney & Smith (Crayon) and a Spanish television network, The Hallmark Channel. They produce films. All of those photos come from two huge photo staffs and all of the props and sets have to be built - no one's actual house really has the fine woodwork and blazing fireplace you see on a calendar, so it has to be built. Many of the tools we used (I was a designer and typographer there in the 90's), were designed and built in house. It's a huge, amazing place.
AZORCH is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 10:35 AM
  #24  
AZORCH's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,123
Likes: 98
From: Liberty, Missouri

Bikes: 1966 Paramount | 1971 Raleigh International | ca. 1970 Bernard Carre | 1989 Waterford Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2019 Specialized Diverge

Originally Posted by Pars
Very cool! That is an unusual color for an International, or at least I haven't seen that one before. The interview with him will be a treat to read.
According to Kurt's site, it is an uncatalogued Burgandy (or Rudge Maroon) from 1971(?) - 72. The seat stay wraps make me think '71-72 also.
AZORCH is offline  
Reply
Old 11-10-12 | 10:42 AM
  #25  
Michael Angelo's Avatar
Senior Member
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 3,904
Likes: 36
From: Hurricane Alley , Florida

Bikes: Treks (USA), Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn letour,Raleigh Team Professional, Gazelle GoldLine Racing, 2 Super Mondias, Carlton Professional.

Fantastic find.
Michael Angelo is offline  
Reply


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.